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Old February 29th, 2016, 11:49 AM   #41
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The Klan was adamantly against Catholics....which IMO is mind boggling considering how one of the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ was the first Catholic Pope.

How the KKK, a Christian group...can consider itself Christian amazes me..its like how ISIL considers itself to be an Islamic group.
''one of the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ was the first Catholic Pope.''

Not everyone agrees with that. I'm fairly sure that a great number from the Protestant faith would not agree. Its based on Matthew's gospel. I don't think the other gospels mention it.
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''one of the 12 apostles of Jesus Christ was the first Catholic Pope.''

Not everyone agrees with that. I'm fairly sure that a great number from the Protestant faith would not agree. Its based on Matthew's gospel. I don't think the other gospels mention it.
One doesn't have to be Protestant to understand that the term "pope" and the idea that the church was Catholic ie "universal" would not occur until centuries later.
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The KKK has IMO just about everything to due with intolerant Protestants...but not all Protestants. I find that most Protestants are good, tolerate people.
I doubt about that since unlike the Catholic Spaniards in which intermarriage was so prevalent in their colonies, the Protestants would rather marry a white woman. For sure they would have consensual sex with native women but the child born out of it shall be bastards oftentimes. These colonialist who were like that were the French, the Dutch and the British that were mostly protestants.

KKK is not a phenomenon among the Catholic nations. It is only true among the Protestant territories and among its practices is hatred among the Catholics. The Irish were among their victims.
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The Klan reckoned that Catholics had some sort of treasonous allegiance to another country(The Vatican City).

It had zero to do with Jesus except in their fevered imaginations.
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^Indeed.
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I doubt about that since unlike the Catholic Spaniards in which intermarriage was so prevalent in their colonies, the Protestants would rather marry a white woman. For sure they would have consensual sex with native women but the child born out of it shall be bastards oftentimes. These colonialist who were like that were the French, the Dutch and the British that were mostly protestants.

KKK is not a phenomenon among the Catholic nations. It is only true among the Protestant territories and among its practices is hatred among the Catholics. The Irish were among their victims.
Not sure if it is Catholic / protestant or southern European / northern European or due to the Civil War and Reconstruction, but there is more of a race issue in the US. In Brazil, there has been much more intermarriage between black and white since slavery.

After the Civil War, they passed laws saying that if you have any black you were black, and could not marry whites. Even before the Civil War, light skinned free blacks had passed and intermarried with whites. When these laws were passed, there were comments that some of the "best" families had slight black descent.

There also developed this huge issue about involvement of black men with white women, which was not as big a deal before the Civil War, when it was clear whites had the power. Before the war, involvement of blacks men with their mistresses or poor white women did happen, and did not result in them being lynched or whatever.

Before and after the war, relations between white men and black women were acceptable as long as they were not dating or married.

Not sure if the issues in the south were due to ethnic of religious background of the whites, as much as that slaves were freed by military force and given political power under military occupation.

The KKK was in originally formed in reaction to these events. Some of the color line and Jim Crow that developed may partly have been a white southern reaction the Civil War and Reconstruction.
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^It is obvious that in Brazil the Catholic culture was popular during the colonial period while Protestantism was the cultural backbone in terms of religious inclination of the Anglo Saxon and Teutonic U.S.
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^It is obvious that in Brazil the Catholic culture was popular during the colonial period while Protestantism was the cultural backbone in terms of religious inclination of the Anglo Saxon and Teutonic U.S.
Right, but were different racial attitudes the result of British and Dutch being lighter and apparently more different than Portuguese racially from Africans and native Americans rather than them being protestant?

Also, were some of the racial attitudes in the US south reactions to the Civil War and Reconstruction?
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The Klan reckoned that Catholics had some sort of treasonous allegiance to another country(The Vatican City).
It had zero to do with Jesus except in their fevered imaginations.
The idea that Catholics believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ is not only older than the Klan, it is older than the United States. And that surely has something to do with Jesus.

Standard historical knowledge in the past included things like the Thirty Years War, the Inquisition, the burning of Tindale for translating the Bible to English, St. Bartholomew's massacre, the attempts to assassinate and conquer Queen Elizabeth, and a lot of things that are not in any 700-page US text produced in the last 25 years.
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But the Klan was a creation of the Civil War, not the Thirty Years War.
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