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Old April 16th, 2016, 09:50 AM   #11
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I like Thomas Jefferson because he had an "agricultural mind" (like me) and, above all, because he lived among the books.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 10:10 AM   #12

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Because the president is directly responsible for the business cycle and merely being present when an event happens means you are the one that caused it, right?
Read the second paragraph of my earlier post...

And no...what do you think about Bush tax cuts? And what about two costly futile wars that he pursued in all his presidency?
What about him being so quick in saving the bankers but did little to assist struggling homeowners in the mortgage crisis?

Bush's policy might not be the real cause for the economic crisis, but sure as hell his policies aggravated it exponentially.

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Old April 16th, 2016, 02:03 PM   #13
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Discussion after 1990 is allowed.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 06:10 PM   #14

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Originally Posted by Derek Francis View Post
Discussion after 1990 is allowed.
I am assuming that this is a typo, but just in case, it is not allowed.
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Old April 16th, 2016, 07:15 PM   #15
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I could take exception with some of the list but would first like to know what criteria you used?
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Old May 6th, 2016, 06:20 PM   #16

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I don't know about you guys, but a President that was in power when the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression begun, should clearly not be in the "good" list of great Presidents.
He's not.

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And by the way, the worst ones should be really those that preceded him and implemented economic policies that caused this great economic downturn: cough...cough...Reagan...cough...cough...Clinton.. .
To quote John McEnroe, "You can't be serious! Please tell me you're not serious!"

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Old May 6th, 2016, 06:48 PM   #17
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Good: George Washington;Andrew Jackson; Bram Lincoln; FDR; JFK
Capable: Thomas Jefferson; Ronald Reagan; Eisenhower; Nixon.
Disgraces and failures: George H. W. Bush; Shrub; LBJ; Jimmy Carter; Bill Clinton; Obama.
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Theodore Roosevelt is my favorite. My least favorite gets too much into politics...
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Old May 6th, 2016, 08:07 PM   #19

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My favorite president is Ulysses S. Grant. While I would never argue that he was our greatest president, or even among the greatest five, I do strongly contend that his presidential performance is misunderstood and badly underrated.

He had a very solid Civil Rights record, which for his time period and his historical context was all the more impressive.
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Old May 6th, 2016, 08:27 PM   #20

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Items that have occurred post 1991 can be discussed, not 1990.

Which brings us neatly to the definition of what we feel is "contemporary". After much discussion we’ve decided to set a date of 31st December 1991 as the cut off point between “history” and “the present”,

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