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Old May 7th, 2016, 06:44 AM   #31

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But the area titled "Themes in History" should encompass all of the subjects which pertain to many things at once over the centuries. If there is any doubt about that, you could just look up the word "theme" in a dictionary; it means "anything and everything".
I understand what a Theme is, but what I'm having an issue with is the Moderators' defining "History" as any event that has taken place pre-1992. So how does adding an area named "Anything and Everything in History" change this if "History" still means pre-1992?

Wouldn't it be easier to just define current events as what has taken place in the last 20 years and be done with it? You know eventually you'll have to select another arbitrary date anyway.

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Old May 7th, 2016, 07:11 AM   #32

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Like most of us, I tend to settle back on FDR, GW, Abe Lincoln, and JFK among the greatest Presidents. But I am never certain how much credit they are getting simply for being the President at the time of events.
Here is how I think of it: the single most important characteristic for identifying both the greatest and the worst Presidents of the United States is that they exemplify the notion that human agency can be as important to directing the course of history as the vast impersonal forces that fashionable academic discourse prefers to focus on.

As much as the "great" Presidents would be forgettable if historical contingency had not pressed events of great significance on them, they would not be worthy of celebration if their particular qualities had not enabled them to channel the flow of history in a certain direction, for good or ill.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 04:11 AM   #33

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... You know eventually you'll have to select another arbitrary date anyway.
The collapse of the Soviet Union is not an arbitrary event. It's The End of History(for the time being).

I would think that picking a set number of past years(20, 25, 50, 100, 1,000 etc) to serve as the cut-off line between the timespans would be arbitrary and an affect of our own "internal localitis."

But if you wish to continue a conversation of this matter, please just open a thread in the feedback area(http://historum.com/feedback/ instead disrupting this thread with off-topic remarks.

Thank-you for your interest.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 05:05 AM   #34

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Not sure why Reagan gets a pass from the Lebanon barracks bombing, Iran Contras and Obama gets hammered for the Benghazi attack?
It's because each is regarded by their respective fanboys as a Saint and by the other side as a Devil.

If one reads the other newspaper(or watches the other TV news channel), he will learn that everything he knew was wrong.

It's freedom of the press. They decide how many column inches (or seconds of air-time) they will devote to the candidate/office-holder for good or ill.

That's why they're called the fourth branch of government.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 05:32 AM   #35

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Putin is the best for all times and for all countries.
Eltsin is the worst for Russia since 1991.
Dont know what american presidents you consider the best, but i believe that Obama is the worst, and Linkoln is the best
In other countries good leaders are Angela Merkel, Indira Gandhi, Margeret Thatcher and Lee Kwan-Yee(Singapore) though they are(were) Prime Ministers
Putin and all the other leaders you mention should not have come into this discussion. They have no purpose here. If you want to discuss Lee Kan-Yew. he was nothing but a dictator. Have you ever been to Singapore? I would suggest you go there and walk freely. Pass by a policeman while you are chewing gum and see what happens to you.

Dictators can murder, like Stalin, and dictators can restrain and constrict like Lee. Regardless, they are dictators. If you wish to live life in a dictatorial system come to China because within 5 years mao will reign supreme once again in another face.

Otherwise the people you mentioned have no place in this discussion. Do not feel bad though I am apt to do the same at times.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 06:24 AM   #36

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As and when the cut-off point changes, we'll let you know. Until then, it stands.
Do you mean that if the date changes for post 1991 or if the site decides to move it prior to 1991? Your post is more than a little bit ambiguous. I realize this isn't a democracy here but the constituents have a document to point to that states the cut off date for history is December 31st 1991. Any change backward from this date would constitute a dictatorial administration instead of a benevolent understanding administration.

While I am here; I find you to be much more harsh and less understanding than you were when you were a regular constituent. You weren't very understanding when you were a constituent but you were fair as a regular contributor.

My advice to you is to learn from the more experienced moderators like Lucius and Okamido, in order not to be trite, to find a way to guide people instead of ruling them. Your post feel like rulings instead of guidance. I'm truly sorry to say this because I truly respect you for your knowledge and the fact that you have allowed me to have my say on this forum while I believe you would rather I would go away.

Please take my advice. I believe you to be an excellent individual and that is the finest thing in the world.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #37

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The collapse of the Soviet Union is not an arbitrary event. It's The End of History(for the time being).
Is that a Francis Fukuyama joke?
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Old May 8th, 2016, 04:47 PM   #38

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Putin and all the other leaders you mention should not have come into this discussion. They have no purpose here. If you want to discuss Lee Kan-Yew. he was nothing but a dictator. Have you ever been to Singapore? I would suggest you go there and walk freely. Pass by a policeman while you are chewing gum and see what happens to you.

Dictators can murder, like Stalin, and dictators can restrain and constrict like Lee. Regardless, they are dictators. If you wish to live life in a dictatorial system come to China because within 5 years mao will reign supreme once again in another face.

Otherwise the people you mentioned have no place in this discussion. Do not feel bad though I am apt to do the same at times.
I dont know what is wrong with your gum. For you any Asian country from Russia in the North to the Indonesia in the South are dictatorial.
At least Lee Kan-Yew built one of greatest financial and transport centers in the world.
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Old May 8th, 2016, 04:58 PM   #39

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Is that a Francis Fukuyama joke? :laugh
If I remember correctly, Fukuyama gave proper credit to Hegel.

See, The End of History? - Francis Fukuyama
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I'd like to know why this question keeps getting asked. It's just going to devolve into president bashing.
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