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Old October 18th, 2017, 09:32 AM   #51

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Donald Trump is by far the worst ever president in the history of the USA, and he's not even done yet dividing and destroying America.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:23 AM   #52
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I haven't seen you around lately, Salah, so welcome back if you were gone.

Of the Presidents before 1990, Carter would have have to rank as one. Inflation sky rocketed under him to the highest it has ever been in the US, after being brought under control by Ford, his inept handling of the Shah and the Iran Hostage Crisis was embarrassing, his actions gave the Soviets the green light in Afghanistan, and he was a self-righteous prig. A disaster in foreign affairs and domestic issues. And to top it off, he blamed Americans for his own ineptitude. A one term president, unusual for US Presidents since the beginning of the 20th century.
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Old October 18th, 2017, 11:50 AM   #53

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I haven't seen you around lately, Salah, so welcome back if you were gone.

Of the Presidents before 1990, Carter would have have to rank as one. Inflation sky rocketed under him to the highest it has ever been in the US, after being brought under control by Ford, his inept handling of the Shah and the Iran Hostage Crisis was embarrassing, his actions gave the Soviets the green light in Afghanistan, and he was a self-righteous prig. A disaster in foreign affairs and domestic issues. And to top it off, he blamed Americans for his own ineptitude. A one term president, unusual for US Presidents since the beginning of the 20th century.
Here's what I don't understand about the hostage crisis. Iran's actions were based on the perception of America as an imperialistic nation, yet they took those hostages when they had a President who was by far one of the least militaristic of all time and was far more concerned with human rights and whatnot.
Logically, shouldn't Iran have had a warmer relationship with the Carter administration given their ideological shift from normal Democrats and Republicans of the day?
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Old October 18th, 2017, 12:04 PM   #54

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Post-FDR, I feel tempted to consider LBJ as one of the best.

Here's a major point with LBJ though: to some extent, one has to factor in that some stuff he did had precedent in the Kennedy Administration.

Having said that, the fact that LBJ got so much done in the domestic realm as POTUS is remarkable imo. I think that if the Vietnam War hadn't happened, Nixon would not have been elected in 1968. But of course, that's speculation, and one has to study the past within the realm of evidence.

True, the Civil Rights Movement itself was the main cause for the Civil Rights laws passed from Eisenhower's presidency to Johnson's (I'm not clear on how much it influenced the Nixon Administration).

Still, that Johnson could get done so much as President domestically is impressive.

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Here's what I don't understand about the hostage crisis. Iran's actions were based on the perception of America as an imperialistic nation, yet they took those hostages when they had a President who was by far one of the least militaristic of all time and was far more concerned with human rights and whatnot.
Logically, shouldn't Iran have had a warmer relationship with the Carter administration given their ideological shift from normal Democrats and Republicans of the day?
Carter gave shelter to the deposed Shah, he was going to allow the Shah into the US for medical treatment, and for that the Iranian Mullahs never forgave Carter. They waited until the day after the election, and Carter lost to free the hostages.

I also heard one my older cousin swear that the CIA was paying Ayatollah Khomeini hush money to stay in Paris. Carter said that was immoral, and had the CIA stop paying. Maybe the Ayatollah was mad at Carter that he had to go back to Iran. Haven`t seen any shred of real evidence to support the claim, though it makes a good story. The Iranians, for whatever reason, personally hated Carter.

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I still maintain that Nixon was the best. He had some wonderful domestic achievements, and he was a master of foreign diplomacy. The more I read about him, the more impressed I am. And it's also the fact that he wasn't part of a political dynasty, he came from truly humble roots, he really embodies the idea of a meritocracy which America was founded on. He was undone by his demons, and will never get a fair hearing from historians as a result, and it must be said his war with Cambodia was immoral and he was personally an incredibly racist individual, but Nixon the political actor was an absolute master.
Agree 100% on Nixon. Some of his policies were pretty progressive for the time and still remain to this day. I'm not ashamed to admit that the man I feel to be the best President was a Republican.

As for worst, I'm going with Andrew Johnson for reasons already stated.
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Nixon was both.

https://listverse.com/2013/11/08/10-...ing-president/

Too bad he suborned burglary and perjury.
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Nixon was both.

https://listverse.com/2013/11/08/10-...ing-president/

Too bad he suborned burglary and perjury.
A character out of a Greek tragedy - brought down by his own failings and insecurities. .

If you read the Nixon tapes, Nixon truly thought he was only doing what the Democrats (Johnson) had already done, he felt they had bugged the Republicans, I seem to recall.

The ironic thing is, the bugging was totally unnecessary. McGovern's left of mainstream policies would not have succeeded in any case, just as Goldwater's right of mainstream views equally turned off voters. Nixon would have won by just as big a margin if he hadn't.
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The fact that Andrew Johnson was so unfavorable to freed blacks in the Deep South in terms of landownership, by itself, secures him as one of the worst US Presidents (I can understand that in his mind, blacks belonged below whites because of his background, but he harmed many freed blacks, perhaps beyond inequality). And Reconstruction pretty much fell apart with the rise of the "Redeemers".

By the time Hayes was in office, I don't think the man could have done much to reverse the mess. Only 3 states remained under federal military control by 1877 (and, as those familiar enough with the subject know, Hayes removed the troops from those states).

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Andrew Johnson is quite possibly the most morally indefensible President the US has ever had, at least in the period which we are able to discuss. He was a man singularly unsuited to the office who bungled Reconstruction so thoroughly that no one could have sorted out the mess he left of what was already a herculean task. The Atlantic back in the day probably put it the best.

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The President of the United States has so singular a combination of defects for the office of a constitutional magistrate, that he could have obtained the opportunity to misrule the nation only by a visitation of Providence. Insincere as well as stubborn, cunning as well as unreasonable, vain as well as ill-tempered, greedy of popularity as well as arbitrary in disposition, veering in his mind as well as fixed in his will, he unites in his character the seemingly opposite qualities of demagogue and autocrat, and converts the Presidential chair into a stump or a throne, according as the impulse seizes him to cajole or to command. Doubtless much of the evil developed in him is due to his misfortune in having been lifted by events to a position which he lacked the elevation and breadth of intelligence adequately to fill. He was cursed with the possession of a power and authority which no man of narrow mind, bitter prejudices, and inordinate self-estimation can exercise without depraving himself as well as injuring the nation. Egotistic to the point of mental disease, he resented the direct and manly opposition of statesmen to his opinions and moods as a personal affront, and descended to the last degree of littleness in a political leader, — that of betraying his party, in order to gratify his spite.

He of course became the prey of intriguers and sycophants, — of persons who understand the art of managing minds which are at once arbitrary and weak, by allowing them to retain unity of will amid the most palpable inconsistencies of opinion, so that inconstancy to principle shall not weaken force of purpose, nor the emphasis be at all abated with which they may bless to-day what yesterday they cursed. Thus the abhorrer of traitors has now become their tool. Thus the denouncer of Copperheads has now sunk into dependence on their support. Thus the imposer of conditions of reconstruction has now become the fore- most friend of the unconditioned return of the Rebel States. Thus the furious Union Republican, whose harangues against his political opponents almost scared his political friends by their violence, has now become the shameless betrayer of the people who trusted him. And in all these changes of base he has appeared supremely conscious, in his own mind, of playing an independent, a consistent, and especially a conscientious part.
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