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View Poll Results: Was America founded as a Christian nation?
Yes 43 27.04%
No 103 64.78%
other (please explain) 13 8.18%
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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:04 AM   #21

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No. The reason our society is so closely based on the Christian principles is because most of our founding generation were Christians. Whenever most of a society tends to favor one thing the society tend to look like that one thing. It is clear though, they founded the nation based on freedom for all, at least that was the goal.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:15 AM   #22

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White Anglo-Saxon Puritans laid the foundation for the United States of America.
In my opinion,Calvinism is not Christian but Judaism with a "Christian" cover.
Spiritually the United States is a Jewish country that indirectly came out of the Old Testament.

I voted "No".
White is the only word in that post that is accurate.

Calvinism and Judaism are not the same.

Not all the founders were Anglo-Saxon.

Not all the founders were Puritans. In fact most weren't, even in New England. Some of them were even a bit hostile towards, or least skeptical of, organized religion.

A few quotes from John Adams, for example...

“The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. Nowhere in the Gospels do we find a precept for Creeds, Confessions, Oaths, Doctrines, and whole cartloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.”

"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has raged and triumphed for 1,500 years?”

“As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?”

"The priesthood have, in all ancient nations, nearly monopolized learning. And ever since the Reformation, when or where has existed a Protestant or dissenting sect who would tolerate A FREE INQUIRY? The blackest billingsgate, the most ungentlemanly insolence, the most yahooish brutality, is patiently endured, countenanced, propagated, and applauded. But touch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your eyes and hand, and fly into your face and eyes.”

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it.”

“I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved– the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:25 AM   #23

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I didn't say that ONLY White Anglo Puritans and Jews live in that country.
Of course you can find people from every corner of the earth in America for survival(most of the time) reasons.

What I said is that English language and a model of Christianity deriving from the Old Testament (Torah if you prefer) were two core elements of that country.

Nothing more or less.
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The founders saw this and found the violence over the differences between Churches not to be worth it. Creating a "Church of the United States" would only further these sorts of fears. Thus why the First Amendment includes lines that would keep church and state separate.
The thrust of your post sounds about right. The principles of separation of church and state are undeniably and firmly imbedded in the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. The Establishment and Free Exercise clauses of the First Amendment were a reaction to historical British efforts to establish the Anglican Church in the Colonies and, later, to preclude such sordid religious conflicts such as that exemplified by the history of Maryland.
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No. The reason our society is so closely based on the Christian principles is because most of our founding generation were Christians. Whenever most of a society tends to favor one thing the society tend to look like that one thing. It is clear though, they founded the nation based on freedom for all, at least that was the goal.
So although most of the founding generation was Protestant that doesn't make the US a Protestant Nation? Freedom of religion for all? Catholics and Jews might see our history a little differently. I am old enough to remember saying the Lord's Prayer in public school

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Like many discussions here, this one is nonsensical because the discussion is shaped around the vague phrase "founded as a Christian nation." Clarify what the phrase means and the "argument" goes away. For instance, if it means "Was the American Revolution fought to create a country where only Christians could live?" then obviously the U.S. was not founded as a Christian nation. Otherwise you aren't discussing the founding of the U.S. at all, you're just arguing over the appropriateness of using a certain string of words.
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So although most of the founding generation was Protestant that doesn't make the US a Protestant Nation? Freedom of religion for all? Catholics and Jews might see our history a little differently. I am old enough to remember saying the Lord's Prayer in public school
If a majority of the population share a specific religion but the government is expressly forbidden from forcing or endorsing a specific religion upon the people it may seem as though we are a/n (insert preferred religion here) nation but it only seems that way. The very fact that the government is forced to allow the free practice of any religion or no religion means we are not a/n (insert preferred religion here) nation.

I see the point your trying to make and I will concede it can look very much like a Christian nation. However without an established or official religion I don't think we can call ourselves a christian nation except in the most laymen or broadest of meanings.
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They wanted to justify the idea that everyone is equal before the law. Christianity teaches that Christ wasn't "more" crucified for some and less for others.

That is, if we are equal before God, we should therefore be equal before the law.

I'm guessing that the gap between "is" and "should be" varies across the entire spectrum of human history.
Agree, but, the separation of the Church and the State made the creation of the U.S. as a none Christian state but its laws and culture emanates from Christian values without imposition of the faith over the entire population as the manifestation of freedom.

Truly, that norm in the U.S. Constitution that all men must be equal before the law and no one is above it, is in fact the evolution of the idea that all are equal before God.
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Truly, that norm in the U.S. Constitution that all men must be equal before the law and no one is above it, is in fact the evolution of the idea that all are equal before God.
The idea of equality before the law predates Christianity, as can be seen in the funeral oration of Pericles, recounted in Thucydides' History of the Peloponnesian War Book 2, Chapter 6:

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Our constitution does not copy the laws of neighbouring states; we are rather a pattern to others than imitators ourselves. Its administration favours the many instead of the few; this is why it is called a democracy. If we look to the laws, they afford equal justice to all in their private differences; if no social standing, advancement in public life falls to reputation for capacity, class considerations not being allowed to interfere with merit; nor again does poverty bar the way, if a man is able to serve the state, he is not hindered by the obscurity of his condition.
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Old April 26th, 2016, 10:21 PM   #30
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Yes, it was founded in the context of Christian civilization and, thus, as a Christian nation. It certainly espoused certain secular ideals, but these ideals too were the product of Christian civilization. We have never formed a civilization distinct from that of the Christian world and even if we tend to use the term 'Cestern' instead of 'Christian' today, it means the exact same thing, the distinctions are merely semantic. Being a Christian nation is a matter of culture.
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