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Old April 30th, 2016, 02:54 AM   #1

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So I am reading America's Assignment With Destiny and the author, Manley P. Hall, claims that Jamestown was the first permanent settlement in North America. I immediately knew that this was not true. I know the first settlement was La Isabella which is now Haiti but I was in question if this was the first PERMANENT settlement. After 3 years though 1493-1496, hurricanes destroyed everything and all was moved to Santo Domingo which has been colonized ever since. So the question is can La Isabella be considered the first permanent settlement? It was intended to be and the settlers couldn't help there were hurricanes, yet Santo Domingo HAS been colonized ever since 1496.

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Indigenous Americans colonized the Caribbean at least 11,000 years ago, but yes the Spanish were here before the British. Even if the author in question does not consider the Caribbean part of North America the city of St. Augustine was founded in 1565.
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The Norse were in Greenland for quite some time and settled in Newfoundland
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So I am reading America's Assignment With Destiny and the author, Manley P. Hall, claims that Jamestown was the first permanent settlement in North America. I immediately knew that this was not true. I know the first settlement was La Isabella which is now Haiti but I was in question if this was the first PERMANENT settlement. After 3 years though 1493-1496, hurricanes destroyed everything and all was moved to Santo Domingo which has been colonized ever since. So the question is can La Isabella be considered the first permanent settlement? It was intended to be and the settlers couldn't help there were hurricanes, yet Santo Domingo HAS been colonized ever since 1496.
If you consider the United States, the first settlement is St. Augustine, Florida, established in 1565.

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Mr. Hall should have said, and perhaps did say, that Jamestown was the first permanent English settlement in North America.

As to La Isabella, it deserves a mention in the same way that Roanoke deserves a mention in the history of English colonization attempts, but Santo Domingo deserves the full credit. History does not remember those who try, only those who succeed. La Isabella and Roanoke are important because they show the earliest interest in colonization, but Santo Domingo and Jamestown mark success. We study history to understand how the modern world came to be. If La Isabella and Roanoke had never happened, the world would still largely be as it is. The Americas eventually became divided into Spanish-speaking and English-speaking regions (and other languages, too) largely because of successes that followed on from Santo Domingo and Jamestown, not from the failures of La Isabella and Roanoke.

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So I am reading America's Assignment With Destiny and the author, Manley P. Hall, claims that Jamestown was the first permanent settlement in North America. I immediately knew that this was not true. I know the first settlement was La Isabella which is now Haiti but I was in question if this was the first PERMANENT settlement. After 3 years though 1493-1496, hurricanes destroyed everything and all was moved to Santo Domingo which has been colonized ever since. So the question is can La Isabella be considered the first permanent settlement? It was intended to be and the settlers couldn't help there were hurricanes, yet Santo Domingo HAS been colonized ever since 1496.
I don´t know Mr Manley P. Hall but for sure it is impossible he´s so ignorant he doesn´t know the first permanent successful settlement in USA was San Agustín, in Florida in 1565, established by Don Pedro Férnandez de Avilés. Still it is worst when that man only needed to type in Google St Augustine and he could read in Wikipedia: St. Augustine (Spanish: San Agustín) is a city in northeastern Florida. It is the oldest continuously occupied European-established settlement within the borders of the United States,


So there is something on the information we miss. If it is impossible Mr Manley P. Hall can be so extreme ignorant.
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Jamestown Virginia is the first permanent English settlement in North America and it is the only one we need to know because from this small settlement that began on the 14th of May 1607. we have founded the greatest portion of this earth that man has ever known.

From simple beginnings we have saved the world from 2 World Wars and numerous financial and political battles. Jamestown is indeed the greatest of all European settlements in the New World.

This settlement is responsible for two things. It is responsible for the founding of the greatest nation in the history of the world; the United Sttes of America and it is responsible for the true beginnings of the English, you notice I do not say British, empire.

For the United States of America we only need to remember Jamestown. Jamestown, Virginia is the heart and soul of the United States.

From this small settlement bleeds the essence that is the American spirit.

There are others that did come before Jamestown but none that are more important. Jamestown is the foundation of the way of life that North Americans enjoy every day in their lives.

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Jamestown Virginia is the first permanent English settlement in North America and it is the only one we need to know because from this small settlement that began on the 14th of May 1607. we have founded the greatest portion of this earth that man has ever known.

From simple beginnings we have saved the world from 2 World Wars and numerous financial and political battles. Jamestown is indeed the greatest of all European settlements in the New World.

This settlement is responsible for two things. It is responsible for the founding of the greatest nation in the history of the world; the United Sttes of America and it is responsible for the true beginnings of the English, you notice I do not say British, empire.

For the United States of America we only need to remember Jamestown. Jamestown, Virginia is the heart and soul of the United States.

From this small settlement bleeds the essence that is the American spirit.

There are others that did come before Jamestown but none that are more important. Jamestown is the foundation of the way of life that North Americans enjoy every day in their lives.
Oh, you Virginian you....
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Jamestown Virginia is the first permanent English settlement in North America and it is the only one we need to know .
Manipulating history?

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Nopoe. Jamestown was very small and didn´t founded any country.. American Rebellion was not Jamestown... Sorry, but History is not written in one language...

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False. In the best of case you saved West Europe from communism (my congratulation) and to rebuild West Europe twice in 1919 and 1945.. but I don´t think "you" but "american" or maybe "Me" explored North America from Great Lakes to Idaho before You... Oh yeap, I took possesion of North America and I drove British out from Florida and Mississipi... Oh wait.. I was born 200 years later!
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manipulating the history again...

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Jamestown is the foundation of the way of life that North Americans enjoy every day in their lives.
False. The American Way of life is not related to Jamestown.. Not even the CSA and the american population in 1861 lived with the "American way of life" in Charleston or Richmond... dear.. The American Way of life is matched with Industrial Revolution, Mass Inmigration, and the economic prosperity came after WW1 in what Lord Grey named "the suicide of Europe"...
So, no, dear, American Way of life is not connected with Jamestown as the Jamaican Way of life and their poverty are not connected to the stablishment of Kingston in october 1692...

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Manipulating history?

Nopoe. Jamestown was very small and didn´t founded any country.. American Rebellion was not Jamestown... Sorry, but History is not written in one language...

False. In the best of case you saved West Europe from communism (my congratulation) and to rebuild West Europe twice in 1919 and 1945.. but I don´t think "you" but "american" or maybe "Me" explored North America from Great Lakes to Idaho before You... Oh yeap, I took possesion of North America and I drove British out from Florida and Mississipi... Oh wait.. I was born 200 years later!
manipulating the history again...

False. The American Way of life is not related to Jamestown.. Not even the CSA and the american population in 1861 lived with the "American way of life" in Charleston or Richmond... dear.. The American Way of life is matched with Industrial Revolution, Mass Inmigration, and the economic prosperity came after WW1 in what Lord Grey named "the suicide of Europe"...
So, no, dear, American Way of life is not connected with Jamestown as the Jamaican Way of life and their poverty are not connected to the stablishment of Kingston in october 1692...
Jamestown is the single most important thing that has ever happened to the western hemisphere. You can object all that you like but it is the single unifying event that developed the United States of America into the single most important country that the world has ever known.

Everything you say false to is unjustified because the foundations of the American Spirit began in the Southeast corner of Virginia on that faithful day on the 14th of May in 1607.

I believe that it is the day that God ordained to be the savor of the world.
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