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Old February 13th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #1

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I've heard some very disturbing things about certain tribes but I find the information hard to research. Is this because it's an unpopular (politically incorrect) topic? Or is it an exaggeration in books and movies? And how are we to know what tribes used torture and what tribes didnt?
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Old February 13th, 2010, 12:31 PM   #2

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I think torture has appeared in most historical cultures. I know that the Comanches were particularly brutal for this; they cut off ears, noses, tongues, and assorted other parts ( ). The Iroquois were charged with both torture and cannibalism of enemy captives.

"Running the gauntlet" was a custom of the Eastern woodlands tribes, including the Shawnee who inhabited my current home-region. A prisoner would be forced to run down two columns of Indian villagers who abused and tormented him. If they caused him to fall he had to start over.

I'm away from my books at the moment, but give me a while and I can get back to you on this topic in more detail, or at least provide more specific incidents practiced by specific tribe.
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Why wouldn't they have used torture? Everybody else did - and a lot still do.
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I think torture has appeared in most historical cultures. I know that the Comanches were particularly brutal for this; they cut off ears, noses, tongues, and assorted other parts ( ). The Iroquois were charged with both torture and cannibalism of enemy captives.
They are some of the ones I've heard the worst stories about

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Why wouldn't they have used torture? Everybody else did - and a lot still do.
Maybe, I think it depends to what degree it is done and how common it is.
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I think IMO that you would unpleasantly surprised about how common torture is even in this day and age...throughout history...it has gone on by many nations...etc.
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Texas Comanche Indians were no Hollywood created phonies: they were tough and rough and a serious foe. "Comanches: The Destruction of a People" 1994 by T.R. Fehrenbach is a great book to have as a source. The Texas Rangers finally learned to combat Comanche tactics with Comanche tactics.
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Texas Comanche Indians were no Hollywood created phonies: they were tough and rough and a serious foe. "Comanches: The Destruction of a People" 1994 by T.R. Fehrenbach is a great book to have as a source. The Texas Rangers finally learned to combat Comanche tactics with Comanche tactics.
ever read larry mcmurtry? how accurate is he? (overall, not just to comanchee's). he seems very accurate form all the small details and character insights he provides.
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No, I've never read McMurtry.
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No, I've never read McMurtry.
i actually rate him up there with shakespear, hemmingway or any other big name writer. he's a bit more informal, but he's a very very good story teller, he's good at all aspects of writing, plot, details, character, dialogue, everything. about half his books have a modern setting and half historical. his books are almost always set in texas. i think you'd really like him.
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I think torture has appeared in most historical cultures. I know that the Comanches were particularly brutal for this; they cut off ears, noses, tongues, and assorted other parts ( ). The Iroquois were charged with both torture and cannibalism of enemy captives.

"Running the gauntlet" was a custom of the Eastern woodlands tribes, including the Shawnee who inhabited my current home-region. A prisoner would be forced to run down two columns of Indian villagers who abused and tormented him. If they caused him to fall he had to start over.

I'm away from my books at the moment, but give me a while and I can get back to you on this topic in more detail, or at least provide more specific incidents practiced by specific tribe.
Running the gauntlet was originally a royal navy punishment.
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