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Old March 10th, 2010, 12:21 PM   #11

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Comanche
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Old March 10th, 2010, 12:32 PM   #12

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The Modoc never get enough attention, but they deserve it for sure. A little on the Modoc War. http://www.militarymuseum.org/Modoc1.html
I vote for the Modocs and Captain Jack too.
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Comanche and Crow pretty bad hombres
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Some of them still are, never signed treaties never surrendered rights to their ancestral territories.
The Chehalis (Salish) are a good example and about 8-10 years ago they just settled this and they have full rights under a treaty. I worked at old Mission State Park and I am happy the Coeur d' Alene Indians got their church back. The Salish, on the east side, tended to be peaceful but they were true warriors. The Battle of Steptoe Butte is a good story from the "History of the Coeur d' Alene Indians" by Chief Gary. I have a copy which is now out of print. I use to pass by Steptoe Butte when I drove down from Spokane to Walla Walla, WA and it is beautiful.

The Hopi were also peaceful but not afraid to retaliate against raids by other tribes such as the Navajo or Apache. Some Apache adopted agriculture from the Hopi/Pueblo and became sedentary.

I once read, from one source, why the Apache tortured their enemies. The book said they believed in a form of reincarnation and that torturing their enemies horribly would keep them from returning to exact revenge. It has been a few years so I cannot recall all the details.

I remember reading about a case where some Americans and Mexicans were captured by the Apache in a stage coach. The Apache let the Americans and women and children go, they were not at war with the U.S. yet. They tied the Mexican men to the wooden wheels of the stage coach and set it on fire- horrible!! I still feel sorrow for these men.

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In "The War of a Thousand Deserts" the author talks about how brutal the Comanche raids were on the settlers from Mexico. Sometimes the Comanche would totally obliterate a town and N. Mexico and the Southwest became depopulated because of these raids. Sometimes the Mexicans would successfully retaliate but their government had too many problems, like the French, and lacked the finances for war. The American settlers later encountered a lot of empty ghost towns because the natives drove out so many Mexican settlers. The Apache and Navajo also had an impact but not as big as the Comanche. The Comanche raised horses and traded with other tribes, Mexicans and Americans. The horses took over habitat from the Buffalo so it might have helped with their decline.
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My votes go to the Nez Perce, the Modoc and the Commanche.
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Hopi - best dances.

Does anyone know what were the original names of the tribes given European names? i.e. of the:
Black Foot
Crow
Nez Perce (French for Pierced Noses)
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Hopi - best dances.

Does anyone know what were the original names of the tribes given European names? i.e. of the:
Black Foot
Crow
Nez Perce (French for Pierced Noses)
You can look up the Nez Perce online. I use to know it but off hand my mind draws a blank. I know the Nez Perce were not a Salish tribe like the Coeur d' Alene, Spokan-e for Flathead (also had their own name.)

The Arapahoe Indians were also great fighters and were the enemy of the Comanche. At least in the 19th when these tribes spread out further because of the horse.
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The Nex Perce called themselves Nimíipuu.

I posted a thread about unsung heroes some time ago, you might find something there....
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Thanks Chookie - now I only have to look up how to pronounce it!
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