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Old June 5th, 2017, 05:49 PM   #41

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You kind of prove my point. You said where are the ships. My same question? If my ancestors came over in slave boat where are they.

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You made a claim and I asked for proof, that's how this works. If you cannot or will not provide proof then please stop polluting the forum with your agenda.
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Old June 5th, 2017, 05:55 PM   #42

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He is telling you the truth. But now that you know keep quiet about it. The U.S. government will send a hit squad to kill you if they find out you know.
Do they send hit squads to kill citizens of other countries? I'd really like to spread the truth, but I don't feel I've eaten my share of baklavas yet. Thanks in advance.
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You kind of prove my point. You said where are the ships. My same question? If my ancestors came over in slave boat where are they.
Now that's an interesting point. I suspected the African slave trade was just a fiction created by the racist U.S. government, but now I have the evidence to prove it. thanks!
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It's not all fiction. It just a lie no wants to admit

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It's not all fiction. It just a lie no wants to admit
You mean there really was slavery in the new world? The damned government didn't teach me that in college.
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That not my answer. The information I got came from archaeologist not from my own research

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Mind sharing a link to the archaeologist?
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Yes but the western world is full of racism. Africans were also in hati and United States. Us government will never admit there liars.

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Is this sarcasm/joking or are you serious?

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More importantly, this does not relate to the question of the topic. The ethnicity of the Olmecs would not be especially relevant to it, regardless of whether or not the ancestors were from Africa.

Back to topic eh guys?

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Apart from it being quite a long walk, would the attitudes of all the nations in between them have anything to do with it?

I know very little on MesoAmerica in the period so I don't know whether the Aztecs might have had trade or diplomatic relations with southern neighbours that were capable of indirectly extending all the way to the Inca, or whether there were hostile nations in between that could have cut off communication between the two?
Aztecs logistics was pretty bad, so most of the lands they conquered was close or they used a hegemon tactic, most of the far province lived in fear if they moved out of the Aztec not paying tribute, the Aztec armies would move against them.
The Incas had a better logistic in the form of pack animals, the Incas was expanding to the north(to the east they stopped after suffering defeats to the amazonian peoples, and the south to Mapuches) when the epidemy of smallpox hit the empire, they would not conquest to Mesoamerica but the empire would be bigger.
Now on possible contact, Bronze metallurgy was developed in, South america, and archeological evidences show that it was sent to Mesoamerica by means of trade, betwen the Peru coast and Mexico western coast, the Purepecha famous for defeating the Aztecs, were knows as builders of Tlaximaltepoztli Bronze axes,

A possible theory of south america and Mesoamerica were the Axe-monies
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https://www.eas.ualberta.ca/wolfe/ep...opedia_chp.pdf
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Inca trade routes / roads Click the image to open in full size.

Aztec Click the image to open in full size.

using modern air travel, the distance from the Northern most Inca area to the southernmost area of the Aztec is 2,094 kilometers. This air travel distance is equal to 1,301 miles. (Distance from Ecuador to El Salvador is 2,094 kilometers. This air travel distance is equal to 1,301 miles.) the land route is much further. The distance from Rome to London is 892 miles. Yet prior to Julius Caesar, these two areas hardly had regular, open communication -- and after the fall of Rome, one might have weeks or months before news of what happened in one local being related to that of another.

there appears to have been some trade between the two http://digitalassets.lib.berkeley.ed...kas001-006.pdf
but not extensive. There are a number of reasons why -- no large merchant ships (something developed in Egypt and early Greece); no large pack animals (a Llama can only carry about 75 pounds. they can't be ridden and no carts were ever developed), The terrain (mountains, desert, jungle) and most of the trade items would have been exotic goods like macaws. It's clear that SOME major communication occurred between Aztec and N. American tribes -- because one has macaw remains, maize and turkeys to prove that, as well as some pottery/ motifs indicating sharing. But there's no evidence the N. American tribes were particularly "notified" of the Spanish either.
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You kind of prove my point. You said where are the ships. My same question? If my ancestors came over in slave boat where are they.

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uh, that would be https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/w...rica.html?_r=0

NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration - NOAA-Supported Mission Discovers Historic Shipwreck Off Turks and Caicos Islands
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not to mention written records, genetics, etc. There's nothing there to show olmecs were anything but of the same group that came in via the Bering strait and thus Asiatic.
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