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Old December 17th, 2016, 03:07 PM   #21
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"A five-year study published in 2015 by the Equal Justice Initiative found that nearly 3,959 black men, women, and children were lynched in the twelve Southern states between 1877 and 1950. Over this period Georgia's 586 lynchings led all states."(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynchi..._United_States)

Thanks for this info. Just to muddy the waters a bit I think it quite likely most of these lynchings were extra judicial killings carried out by public mobs not limited to good ole KKK boys rounding up blacks. That's not meant as a defence of these murders, but to suggest many of the lynchings would have went ahead without the KKK being present(though no doubt almost every lynching had KKK members involved). I suspect it's virtually impossible to get thoroughly accurate numbers of murders attributable to the KKK.
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Thanks for this info. Just to muddy the waters a bit I think it quite likely most of these lynchings were extra judicial killings carried out by public mobs not limited to good ole KKK boys rounding up blacks. That's not meant as a defence of these murders, but to suggest many of the lynchings would have went ahead without the KKK being present(though no doubt almost every lynching had KKK members involved). I suspect it's virtually impossible to get thoroughly accurate numbers of murders attributable to the KKK.
We can't also give an accurate number of the people murdered in the terrorist campaign of the first Klan (1868-1877). It is estimated that almost 1000 blacks were killed in Louisiana's 1868 elections alone...
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President Truman, Senator Byrd, and one other guy in recent times were Klansmen. Forrest as in Nathan Bedford founded the Klan but when he saw how it was headed, he disbanded it. But it didn't stay disbanded.

Klansmen are still around and they have gotten more covert in their actions. A number of them are veterans. In 1979 on the beach between Gulfport and Biloxi, the Klan burned a cross. I parked at Edgewater mall and went down to protest it...yeah by myself....scared the crap out of me...but as I saw it...someone needed to do it. When that guy leading the burning looked around at it...my courage gave way and I fled. My Native American husband was overseas and our daughter was at home with my sister.

I was at my car....when a man spoke up....You don't like them. Scared the crap out of me. I said yeah...and he said he was one of them....I stood my ground. My heart was racing a mile a minute..he was tall...but then he laughed and said he wasn't. I am convinced I had run into David Duke. He was still a NAZI at the time as I recall.

I am not ashamed of being White....not ashamed of my history or the things good that White people have done. I don't pretend the bad stuff didn't happen but I didn't do it. Every race has a group of asses who do dumb crap....and every race has killers in their group. It's the nature of the beast.
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Was the KKK ever as influential or 'respectable' as the Masons?

The Masons operate hospitals for needy crippled children.

The Klan has a long way to go.
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President Truman, Senator Byrd, and one other guy in recent times were Klansmen...
There is no real evidence that President Truman was a member. Most historians dismiss the one story as that of a disgruntled politician.
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President Truman, Senator Byrd, and one other guy in recent times were Klansmen. Forrest as in Nathan Bedford founded the Klan but when he saw how it was headed, he disbanded it. But it didn't stay disbanded.

Klansmen are still around and they have gotten more covert in their actions. A number of them are veterans. In 1979 on the beach between Gulfport and Biloxi, the Klan burned a cross. I parked at Edgewater mall and went down to protest it...yeah by myself....scared the crap out of me...but as I saw it...someone needed to do it. When that guy leading the burning looked around at it...my courage gave way and I fled. My Native American husband was overseas and our daughter was at home with my sister.

I was at my car....when a man spoke up....You don't like them. Scared the crap out of me. I said yeah...and he said he was one of them....I stood my ground. My heart was racing a mile a minute..he was tall...but then he laughed and said he wasn't. I am convinced I had run into David Duke. He was still a NAZI at the time as I recall.

I am not ashamed of being White....not ashamed of my history or the things good that White people have done. I don't pretend the bad stuff didn't happen but I didn't do it. Every race has a group of asses who do dumb crap....and every race has killers in their group. It's the nature of the beast.
Unfortunately, the late wave of opioid drug addictions (and often deaths) somewhat sounds like "the revenge of the Opium War" or opium sales to China in the 19th century.
The bare minimum: we need to acknowledge the pass crimes and apologize for them.
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I fail to see the similarity between a brotherhood of charity and a brotherhood of hatred.
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I fail to see the similarity between a brotherhood of charity and a brotherhood of hatred.
Didn't the "Second Klan" in the 1920s had hospitals and were engaged in charity as well?
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If the Second Klan was a turd blossom on the First, the Third blossomed out from the Second.

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People have to come to mind that the Ku Klux Klan was not a single continuous organization that lasted for over 200 centuries. It was in fact a series of different organizations that existed throughout the years under the same name, but all had one characteristic in common: the advocation for white supremacy and Afrophobia sentiment.

The "original Ku Klux Klan" was strictly a terrorist organization. They had been formed by disgruntled ex-Confederate officers that didn't accept defeat and were particularly angry by the fact that they lost many of their political rights for being part of a treasonous movement against the union. They saw the political and voting rights of freed slaves as not only an insult to their white aristocratic "honour" and "pride", but a direct threat to their traditional privilege as white landowners in the South.
Their primary objective was to intimidate, via terrorist attacks, freed slaves to not actively participate in the democratic process and to not vote. Their targets were also Northern Republicans that begun to participate in the political process in the "Reconstruction South".
Of course, that "first KKK" was effectively destroyed by the Federal Government under Ulysses Grant Presidency.

With the popularity of the movie "The Birth of the Nation", a group of affluent southern men created a secret organization which they named the KKK as well. It was not a militant terrorist organization as the first KKK, but a fraternal organization and a political lobby which expouse the perpetuation and expansion of white supremacism ideals in conjunction with anti-Catholicism, Anti-semitism, social conservativism, nativism, anti-communism, populism and support for the temperance movement.
By the 1920s the "second KKK" had over 30 million members and expanded outside the South, penetrating into the Midwest and some parts of Northeast United States.
They were not a terrorist outlaw group but something equivalent to the Muslim Brotherhood during Mubarak's Egypt. They had clubs, property, big businesses, hospitals and were involved in State institutions, influenced State legislation and even infiltrated the federal government during the 1920s.

With the Great Depression, New Deal, WW2 and the mediatized scandals concerning sexual abuse and corruption inside the KKK, they lost steam and millions of members in which by the late 1940s they were virtually non-existent.
The Civil rights movement in late 1950s propelled the creation of a new KKK. That new organization was all about direct violent action against the civil rights movement activists. They resorted to terrorist tactics such as bombings, assassinations, sabotage, kidnappings, torture, etc. They were largely unsuccessful in their tactics and alienated a lot of supporters, even in the white southern pro-segregationist crowd.
Therefore they are largely non-existent nowadays.
Pretty good summary. In the 1980s my firm associated with an architectural firm in Richmond, Virginia. The original founder of that firm was long since dead, but he had a distinctive name and when I chanced to visit the Richmond City Museum, I saw a photograph of a group of locally-prominent "businessmen" who were members of the KKK in Richmond (they were identified as such) in the early part of the century - all white men, of course - and among them was none other than the founder of the firm with which we were associated. Imagine my surprise. I probably should not have been, but I noted that the principal partner who headed the current firm couldn't stop talking about the greatness of Robert E Lee. I had to remind him more than once that Lee was a traitor to his country who, by the way, was defeated.

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