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Old December 24th, 2016, 01:14 PM   #41
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I heard it on a history channel documentary a long time ago. Before they emphasised those "ancient chariots" pseudo-history theory...

There's so much trash on the History Channel that I have to check and double-check everything before believing it.
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Old January 7th, 2017, 09:21 AM   #42

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Storyman--According to the article below, the KKK lynched around 3500 people Allen West: More black-on-black murders in six months than by 'KKK' in 86 years | PunditFact

(Sorry for mixing this with another data point, but I couldnt' find a "clean" statement of how many the KKK murdered in all its years to date.

That's roughly 10% of the 33,000 murdered by ISIS/ISIL/DAESH:
How Many People Has ISIS Killed? Terrorist Attacks Linked To Islamic State Have Caused 33,000 Deaths: Report
What I was referring to was comparing the executions for the sole purpose of terror and intimidation - that is, comparing lynchings by the Klan to public beheadings by ISIL. Consideration was not given to deaths at the hands of an armed force in their attempt to occupy and control territory.

I will concede it was a poor comparison to make, but still, a more reasonable comparison than the Klan vs Freemasons.
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Old January 7th, 2017, 05:09 PM   #43
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The Masons were extremely politically powerful. In some areas most of the politicians and businessmen were Masons. There was an incident where a disgruntled Mason revealed their secret rituals and so on. He was killed. Those accused of his murder were tried and acquitted by a Mason prosecutor and judge and mostly Masons on the jury. This helped give rise to the anti-Mason political party. So it isn't totally out of line to compare and contrast them with the KKK.
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$23 in the 1920s in more like $600 today.
$23 in the 1920's was enough to buy an ounce of gold. How much is an ounce of gold today?
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Old January 11th, 2017, 11:20 AM   #45

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I fail to see the similarity between a brotherhood of charity and a brotherhood of hatred.
No one would, but those are your own characterizations.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 11:48 AM   #46

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Was the KKK ever as influential or 'respectable' as the Masons?
Obviously, the short answer is no. The KKK is comparatively small, short-lived and local. The Masons are comparatively large, have been around for centuries, and are international.

I don't suppose the KKK lacked respectability when FDR appointed Hugo Black to the Supreme Court, and he was confirmed. White racial pride was not the anathema to the establishment then that it is today.

The problem with the question is that its either-or structure. As both organizations had membership that cut across professions and areas, it is inevitable that there would be cross membership, as there would be between either of those two and other organizations. I think Albert Pike would be an example of a high profile member in common to both.
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The KKK was originally a violent organization.
Like the Sons of Liberty or different?

This type of claim has been repeated in several posts. I am not aware of KKK rituals being written, rather than memorized. So, does anyone actually have access to founding documents?
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Somebody lynched roughly 4,000 Negroes.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b3418f6a9122

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And it wasn't the Masons.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 05:41 PM   #49
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There was a high rate of lynching in 1880-1915 when the KKK was almost nonexistent. Lynchings were mostly spontaneous reactions to outrage that a black or blacks committed some crime or punched a white man or bumped into a white woman or something like that.

The Masons are not obviously a benevolent organization. They were hugely powerful in some times and places, which is why there was an anti-Mason political party.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_(E%E2%80%93Z)

The amount of world leaders of diverse countries, Monarchs, Presidents, Liberators of south america even, leaders of industries, religious persuasion, and political ideology leads me to the conclusion that the Klan has never been as respectable as the Freemasons.
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