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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:45 AM   #41

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The fire-eaters were far more influential in causing secession than Jefferson Davis. Davis resisted secession until Lincoln was elected. Davis did not want to be President of the CSA. Davis only served as President of the CSA after he was elected because Davis thought it was his civic duty to serve as President of the CSA.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 09:26 AM   #42

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Because he was innocent.

They tried him for treason, but they couldn't convict him.... because he had broken no laws.

Each American state is a sovereign nation unto itself, by law; and the war was an act to suppress this fact-- and therefore, the Confederate states were simply sovereign nations defending themselves against a foreign invasion.

As a result, the federal government swept Davis's case under the rug, in order to avoid this fact coming out in trial; they only wanted the power of national authority over the states, by any means necessary; and a trial would open up too many questions to public scrutiny, ultimately revealing that the South had been right all along-- and that the USA was not a single nation, but that each state is a single nation unto itself.
Which would defeat the war's entire purpose; so the whole matter was simply swept under the rug.
He was not tried nor brought to trial. The idea of a trial was discussed but abandoned.
As to 'swept under the rug' all I can say is: that is a metaphor and can only be answered with another metaphor. Not good methodology.
In regard to your beliefs on 'sovereignty', as expressed here and in another thread I find them so wrong headed and lacking in basis and knowledge of law I feel exhausted just thinking of the effort it would take to correct them.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 11:35 AM   #43

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Because he was innocent.

They tried him for treason, but they couldn't convict him.... because he had broken no laws.

Each American state is a sovereign nation unto itself, by law; and the war was an act to suppress this fact-- and therefore, the Confederate states were simply sovereign nations defending themselves against a foreign invasion.

As a result, the federal government swept Davis's case under the rug, in order to avoid this fact coming out in trial; they only wanted the power of national authority over the states, by any means necessary; and a trial would open up too many questions to public scrutiny, ultimately revealing that the South had been right all along-- and that the USA was not a single nation, but that each state is a single nation unto itself.
Which would defeat the war's entire purpose; so the whole matter was simply swept under the rug.
The Civil War decided all the propositions you propose in this comment adversely to your opinions, and those of the Confederates. Whether for better or worse.

And Davis was never tried for any crime.
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Why wasn't Jeff Davis hanged?
It's like the old joke about the lawyer jumping out of the boat, and the sharks clearing a path so he can swim to shore. Professional courtesy.

Davis wasn't charged with anything for the same reasons Hillary Clinton won't be indicted. Professional courtesy.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 09:22 AM   #45

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If he was hanged, he might have become a martyr for the Southern cause.
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Old January 9th, 2017, 05:43 PM   #46

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... Hillary Clinton ...
Code Blue. Please refrain from raising the subject of current politics.

Thanking you in advance for upholding our rules, I remain, etc, etc, Lucius
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Thanking you in advance for upholding our rules, I remain, etc, etc, Lucius
Haven't been here for a long time. Forgot about the 1992-rule. By the way, that should be a floating 20-year rule.

How about: Davis wasn't charged for the same reason Ford pardoned Nixon. Professional courtesy.

Also, if they put him on trial, he might have named names - as they used to say.
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Old January 10th, 2017, 11:57 AM   #48

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... Forgot about the 1992-rule. By the way, that should be a floating 20-year rule.

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December 26, 1991 marks the end of the Soviet Union. When something as momentous as that happens again, the matter will be taken under reconsideration.

Until then, just stick those topics in Current Events.
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Code Blue didn't mean to discuss politics, but I understand the issue.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 05:17 AM   #50

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Yes, we must gird up our loins and resist.

Or just go to the other place.

http://defendingthetruth.com/politic...paign=politics
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