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Old December 30th, 2016, 10:08 AM   #11

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Since LBJ's crassness was mentioned...

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Old December 30th, 2016, 10:14 AM   #12

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The idea that LBJ supported civil rights only to get votes is patently nonsensical. A look at the political fortunes of the Democratic Party pre and post civil rights should be ample evidence of that. The man had myriad flaws and while an ideal legislative politician, was in many respects not well suited to exercising executive power, but there was more to him than that.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 10:21 AM   #13

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Washington ...

Usually I tend to think that the first this or that is to be kept out of any competition or comparison. In Italy it would be like to ask who was the greatest general in the history of modern Italy since the creation of the Kingdom [can you imagine an Italian not saying "Garibaldi"?].

Simply George Washington is above the category of US Presidents.

Regarding Lincoln the reasoning is more complicated. He was in the right place in the right moment and his death [dramatic death] added a lot to his personal merits.

Johnson was in the wrong place at the wrong moment ... but he carried on.
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Washington, Jackson, Polk, Roosevelt (Teddy)...not necessarily in that order.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 06:02 PM   #15

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Who is you favorite us president?

Jefferson and Madison for me
Why is it, when asked to name a favorite ANYTHING, which means the ONE personal best that stands above all others, we find that scoundrels, pathological liars, and those with questionable virtues will always name three, four, or as many as five "favorites"?

My personal favorite is Jimmy Carter.
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Why is it, when asked to name a favorite ANYTHING, which means the ONE personal best that stands above all others, we find that scoundrels, pathological liars, and those with questionable virtues will always name three, four, or as many as five "favorites"?

My personal favorite is Jimmy Carter.
Because the thread was not specific. Favorite can mean as "interesting," or for "policy," or as a "person."

Many could like Carter's personality and humanity but hate his policy.
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Old January 2nd, 2017, 10:57 PM   #17

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Why is it, when asked to name a favorite ANYTHING, which means the ONE personal best that stands above all others, we find that scoundrels, pathological liars, and those with questionable virtues will always name three, four, or as many as five "favorites"?

My personal favorite is Jimmy Carter.
Because people like that sort of person?

Anyway my favourite is the man himself

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I have to say LBJ is one of my least favorite. Between FDR and LBJ the US has become a welfare state. LBJ was a racist, he wouldn't have pushed civil rights if it didn't mean votes for Democrats.
What's wrong with a welfare state? Why shouldn't a country try to protect its weakest citizens?
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The idea that LBJ supported civil rights only to get votes is patently nonsensical. A look at the political fortunes of the Democratic Party pre and post civil rights should be ample evidence of that. The man had myriad flaws and while an ideal legislative politician, was in many respects not well suited to exercising executive power, but there was more to him than that.
Isn't there a quote of his acknowledging that in signing the Civil Rights Act (if that's the right title) that he'd lost the South for the Democrats?
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What's wrong with a welfare state? Why shouldn't a country try to protect its weakest citizens?
A welfare state is awful. Poverty levels in inner cities have not been lowered since Johnson's War on Poverty. The rate of black kids with no father in the house is insanely high today and the welfare policies help thatnumber along. A welfare state creates a cycle of dependency that ruins people. The welfare state in the US attracts illegal immigrants who are a burden on state and federal systems.

Need I go on?
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