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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:39 PM   #1

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Favorite United States president


Who is you favorite us president?

Jefferson and Madison for me
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Old December 29th, 2016, 07:55 PM   #2

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George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Harry S. Truman.
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Old December 29th, 2016, 08:19 PM   #3

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President Trump because he's an aspiring leader and a figure you look up too.
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I like Lyndon Baines Johnson.

He explained why Negroes should have rights equal to those enjoyed by Whites with an accent which was not a Yankeh accent. It might seem a small thing, but at the time, every little advantage was important. Everything always happens at the margin.
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Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson and John Adams as a story.

Grover Cleveland and Calvin Coolidge for general policy.

Quincy Adams for his insane level of intelligence.

FDR most overrated by far.
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I like Lyndon Baines Johnson.

He explained why Negroes should have rights equal to those enjoyed by Whites with an accent which was not a Yankeh accent. It might seem a small thing, but at the time, every little advantage was important. Everything always happens at the margin.
I have to say LBJ is one of my least favorite. Between FDR and LBJ the US has become a welfare state. LBJ was a racist, he wouldn't have pushed civil rights if it didn't mean votes for Democrats.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 09:27 AM   #7

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I have to say LBJ is one of my least favorite. Between FDR and LBJ the US has become a welfare state. LBJ was a racist, he wouldn't have pushed civil rights if it didn't mean votes for Democrats.
He prevented a race war.

So, there's that.
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The ancient Greek playwrights might have been inspired to right a great tragedy based on LBJ. A poor boy who grew up with few opportunities, but with a burning need to be loved. He was an outsider to Texas politics and he didn't have the financing to run anyway. He married a rich woman, but their life together was famous for its closeness. The Johnsons bought a small television station before most folks owned a TV set, so in due time their TV station became more profitable, and even more important it gave LBJ a means of reaching out to the poor back-country folks of Texas. He lost, but dusted off his coveralls and rejoined the fray finally ending up in Congress. That wasn't a different Congress in terms of how it was run than what we have today.

A junior Congressman was expected to keep their mouth shut and vote as directed by their seniors. LBJ did that and became known for his Party Loyalty, and that included his support for segregation and keeping the Federal Government out of State and local politics. Once LBJ had built a support network in Congress, he worked his way up into positions of leadership. Now it was LBJ that made the backroom deals and trade offs to get what he wanted. Basically, what he wanted was universal support for FDR's New Deal. Finally, the poor boy could heroically help transform Society. Long after FDR was dead, LBJ was a potent leader in creating the sort of legislation the New Deal was famous for, but always aware of his dependence on the Southern voting block.

LBJ was a tall spare man with a penchant of intruding on the personal space of others. He would, its said, step to within inches of his target, and bend over nose-to-nose, and in a voice dripping with honey might say, "Let's reason together". LBJ was one of the most powerful men in Government, and he wanted to be Presidenty, but the timeing was wrong.

American was in love with JFK. JFK's his good looks, his charm and wit, and had a classy family that mirrored the TV sitcoms of the day. Lanky LBJ's image was still that of a crude and ill-mannered red-neck with a certain talent for coercing others into voting for LBJ sponsored legislation. As the VP candidate on the JFK ticket, LBJ helped win the election, but the President and Vice-President were never really simpatico. Bobby and LBJ hated one another passionately. Brothers trump VPs.

JFK assasinated in Dallas, in LBJ's Texas, shocked the nation still deeply in love with the Kennedy Mystic. LBJ was ready, and finally after a long career was in a position where he could advance his own agenda. The poor boy's dreams of inseminating poverty and injustice, were no longer dormant. LBJ was determined that his Administration would take the New Deal as its basis, and utilizing the power of the Federal Government build a "Great Society", a Society where no one was hungry, cold, or homeless. A Society were everyone was truly equal before the Law, and where intolerance and prejudice would become obsolesce. LBJ would give the American People, all of the People, a nation devoid of suffering. It was more a "Great Dream" than a "Great Society".

Civil Rights didn't come easy. Jim Crow Laws embedded in Southern Law had great impact across the whole nation. Segregated schools theoretically "separate, but equal" were demonstrably a lie. Access to public facilities was denied, or so constrained that to make inequality a fact of life. Across most of the nation, segregation and prejudice on the bases of one's genotype, was looked upon as a problem unique to the Deep South. The Stereotypical Southerner was a red-neck share-cropper with holes in his linens. Southern law enforcement was believed to be a tool of the KKK, but so long as the public could divorce themselves from the daily, hourly injustice, Blacks got little sympathy. Television.

The nation watched Southern Whites, with snarling hate-filled faces, assault young Black People whose only offense was to sit down in chair reserved for a white person, didn't sit well. Police dogs straining on their leashes to tear Black flesh when Blacks tried to exercise their right to vote, was reminiscent of the Storm Troops we had so lately defeated in Europe. Young Idealists responded to JFK's call to action by joining the "peaceful" protests. Peace provoked violence, and the violence was expected as a weapon in broadening the demand for full Civil Rights for everyone. Those who went South to ride Freedom Buses, register voters, and challenge the establishment needed to be seen in their parent's living-rooms being taken off to jail. Some of those died, murdered by prejudice. LBJ's dream looked like it might becoming reality.

Vietnam was LBJs Tar-Baby. He didn't start it, didn't want it, and recognized that it diverted progress from the Great Society to a dirty little war in an almost forgotten little part of the world. He couldn't get away from it, and determined that the Communists not be allowed to win ... at any cost. Dominoes would not fall, and LBJ's American would give the Vietnamese People freedom and security from the forces of darkness. In an earlier time when news came in Morning and Evening editions of the local rag, or in earnest tones on the radio, the Public might have remained supportive of the Vietnam debacle. LBJ wasn't that lucky. Television, and Walter. LBJ's, Secretary of Defense was McNamara, a bean counter whose faith in centralization removed decisions from the Field to the Pentagon, or White House. Military discipline was becoming lax as Careerist Officers rotated in and out of operations checking off the boxes to advancement. Out in the bush, often the leadership devolved upon non-commissioned officers who were faced great problems and with little real support from the Chain-of-Command. Burn the village to save it. In Mai-Lai, a USA Captain presided over mass murder of civilians. Innocent civilians, or not, it was a War Crime and a shame to the nation. Did Capt. Medina find himself with an out of control platoon bent on mob murder, or was he a modern SS officer? Folks back home were in dispair, and the protests that worked so well in the American Civil Rights Movement were used by the Anti-War Movement. "Hey, Hey LBJ how many kids did you kill today?

It was an unfair, and very poorly informed protest that drove LBJ back into civilian life where he lingered on his ranch.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 09:42 AM   #9

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I like Lyndon Baines Johnson.

He explained why Negroes should have rights equal to those enjoyed by Whites with an accent which was not a Yankeh accent. It might seem a small thing, but at the time, every little advantage was important. Everything always happens at the margin.
Me too, since he has been the first US President figure I have met while I was knowing the curious world of ufology. This has carried me to discover more about him ... and he was a good President.
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Old December 30th, 2016, 09:56 AM   #10

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Who is you favorite us president?

Jefferson and Madison for me
You need to start the thread by saying "Who is your favorite U.S. president BEFORE 1990." Another thread about presidents was shut down as soon as someone mentioned presidents from the last 30 years.

Just saying....
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