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Old January 11th, 2017, 08:47 AM   #11

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Like a few others, my initial reaction to the OP is , what and whom are we comparing? I wonder how significant the differences was between every day working stiffs? It obviously took some time for those in America to accumulate the kind of wealth that would allow one to rival Europe's aristocracy in dress and lifestyle.
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Old January 11th, 2017, 08:50 AM   #12

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American was founded on the frontier myth, ergo the look was always going to be more rough and ready -racoon skin hats and Davy Crocket etc. The founding fathers also rejected monarchy so there was no personal vanity of monarchs to consider. Pre 76 it didn't matter because the monarch lived in London and America was a distant colony. The fancy houses are for governors.

The fine buildings in America follow the Neo Classical design. Congress, White House, Lincoln Memorial & IIRC Franklin's house?

America was also a bit of a rural backwater until around 1918-43. Farmers and lawyers have no need of a Versailles. That's for Princes and aristocrats and is why those grand houses mostly exist in Europe.
True. Many Americans probably would have rejected the lavish dressings, even if able to do so. It kind of ran contrary to the American concept.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 11:33 AM   #13

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I find this to be a troll, but a humerous one. I snickered.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:26 PM   #14

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For starters you are comparing two very different styles of interior design and architecture, from two different time periods overall. Secondly Europe had quite the head start in building these large palaces and monuments, a laarge head start. Thirdly, the purposes they were built for differ greatly, one seeks opulence through a rococo style, the other serves a practical purpose in a neoclassical style, furthermore at the moment they were originally built, my guess is that the french kings had a larger budget to build than the american president.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 02:39 PM   #15
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We didn't like taxes. We really, really didn't like taxes going to the federal government. We deliberately kept them quite poor. It's a shame that has changed.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 06:46 PM   #16

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1500 is a bit early for your ire isn't it?
You know what they say about native Americans have higher IQ than the immigrants?
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Old January 12th, 2017, 06:50 PM   #17

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You know what they say about native Americans have higher IQ than the immigrants?
Who ever said that?
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Who ever said that?
An American, who else?
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:30 PM   #19
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Something that always threw my off a bit was the aesthetic of early america. Their clothing especially. Comparing it to other cultures at the time, it seemed so plain and gritty and tasteless. It threw my perception of history off when I was younger because I assumed the way, say, pilgrims dressed and acted, was a general representation of the times everywhere. This confusing perception keeps re-emerging for me. When I was watching "The Witch", I thought to myself the only way I would know that this happened later in history than say.....the crusades, was that the family owned a rifle. I got this feeling again when watching "Lincoln". It's so dreary and gritty and I just thought to myself "is there not a single person in america yet that knows or cares about quality of design?"

Other example that always had me scratching my head was how lackluster the white house is, especially the interior: Click the image to open in full size.

In comparison to say......the chateau de versaille:

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The cookie cutter minimalism doesn't seem to suit the ego of america. Thoughts on this?
You're comparing a frontier country with a population of 4 million and a developed country with a population of 20 million ruled by an absolute monarch (Louis xiv) who was a grandiose incompetent like Obama vs scholarly gentlemen who had studied history and wanted to be a virtuous simple living country like the early Republican Romans and not like the later Greek influenced wastrels.
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Old January 12th, 2017, 09:31 PM   #20

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An American, who else?
You said "You know what they say". Who are they and what American said that American Indians are more intelligent than immigrants?
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