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Old December 14th, 2017, 01:08 PM   #1
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Hi everyone,

I am a Dutch student and I am researching American history with a focus on racial relations. I would kindly like to ask you to answer a couple of questions in the form of a multiple choice and also a couple of questions asking for your opinion. If you don't want to post your opinion on the forum, you can also send me a private message with your answers.
Thank you in advance! kind regards Sebastiaan

1Have you heard of the KKK?
-I've heard of it, but don't know what it is.
-I've never heard of it.
-I've heard of it and do know what it is.

2Did you know that the KKK had 6 million members in the past?
-yes
-no

3Which of the following statements is not a requirement for joining the KKK? choose one.
-You have to be a Christian.
-You need to be an American citizen.
-you must be faithful to the constitution of america.
-You've got to have your own gown(the KKK costume).

4The KKK organisation is often branded as being racist by people or media sources. Do you share this opinion? Give a explanation.
-Yes, because.....
-No, because.....

5Do you support the Republicans or the Democrats? If you are not from America you can skip this qeustion.
-Pro Republican
-Pro Democratic

6In 1865 the American civil war ended and people from the North could move to the South again. Several people from the North decided to do that, mainly because they wanted the people from the South to respect the constitution. A large part of the population of the south didn't like this situation. They rerferred to these people who moved from the North to the South as..?
-Backstabbers
-Carpetbaggers
-Slaves of modern day

7In 1966 the black panther party was founded. This party also used a lot of violence to achieve its goal. Do you think that you can compare it to the KKK?
-Yes
-No
-Maybe

8The Black Panthers and the KKK did not often confront eachother. What was the main reason for this?
-The government prevented this.
-They both thought they had fewer members.
-The members of the black panthers settled mainly in the big cities and the kkk on the countryside.

9The Black Panther Party officialy no longer has any members whereas the KKK still does have members. How many members does the KKK have nowadays?
-5000-8000
-8000-12000
-12000-15000
-100000
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1Have you heard of the KKK?
-I've heard of it and do know what it is.

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2Did you know that the KKK had 6 million members in the past?
-yes.

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3Which of the following statements is not a requirement for joining the KKK? choose one.
Depends. The Klan has never seriously respected the United States Constitution, for all of its latter-day talk of "100% Americanism." The First KKK was formed as a terrorist insurgency whose goals included negating the Reconstruction Amendments, otherwise known as the XIII, XIV, and XV Amendments which, respectively: abolished slavery and indentured servitude (except as punishment for a crime); addressed citizens' rights and guaranteed equality before the law; and prohibited either the state or federal governments from denying citizens the right to vote based on, "race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

As to costumes, the members of the First KKK employed a bizarre mélange of homemade outfits (not surprising in a guerrilla movement), and the Second KKK sought to standardize (and make a profit out of selling) KKK uniforms based on the costumes used in D. W. Griffith's 1915 film The Birth of a Nation, which shamelessly romanticized the First KKK and lionized it's racism and terrorism.

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4The KKK organisation is often branded as being racist by people or media sources. Do you share this opinion? Give a explanation.
Yes, because it is and always has been a white nationalist Christian identity group.

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5Do you support the Republicans or the Democrats? If you are not from America you can skip this qeustion.
Unsure what this question has to do with anything. The Klan transcended party lines. The First KKK was overwhelmingly opposed to the Republican Party and made up of either former or active supporters of the Democratic Party. The Second KKK supported the Republican Party in the North and West, while most Klansmen in the Solid South supported the one-party rule of white supremacist Southern Democrats who had been restored to power by the First KKK. The Third KKK also supported Southern Democrats, and then largely shifted its support to the Republican Party once the Republican Party began to oppose the Civil Rights Movement and began appealing to the most reactionary and conservative Southern interests beginning in the late 1960s and crystallizing in the 1980s.

The tendency of those who identify as members of the KKK to support the Republican Party has continued until the present day, with the most prominent Klansman in the United States, David Duke, having served as a Republican representative in the Louisiana State House from 1989 to 1992, having been the Republican candidate for U.S. Senator from Louisiana in 1990, having been the Republican nominee for Governor of Louisiana in 1991, and rejoining the Republican Party in 2016 (he had left in 1999) as a vocal supporter of Donald Trump.

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6In 1865 the American civil war ended and people from the North could move to the South again. Several people from the North decided to do that, mainly because they wanted the people from the South to respect the constitution. A large part of the population of the south didn't like this situation. They rerferred to these people who moved from the North to the South as..?
"Carpetbaggers" or "damnyankees." The many Southerners—white and black—who assisted in the project of Reconstruction were slandered as "scalawags" by white supremacist insurgents (the KKK, the Red Shirts, the White League, etc.) and their collaborators and sympathizers.

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7In 1966 the black panther party was founded. This party also used a lot of violence to achieve its goal. Do you think that you can compare it to the KKK?
No. Comparatively, the Black Panther Party employed a fraction of the violence employed by the KKK in any of its various iterations. Too, the victims of violence at the hand of the Black Panther Party overwhelmingly tended to be either other people involved in the Black Panther movement, or the police, not random civilians.

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8The Black Panthers and the KKK did not often confront eachother. What was the main reason for this?
They were not often present in the same locales to a sufficient degree that would produce armed confrontation.

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9The Black Panther Party officialy no longer has any members whereas the KKK still does have members. How many members does the KKK have nowadays?
Hard to say, as there is no singular KKK, but rather a number of splinter groups and autonomous cells. The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 members of "the" KKK at present.

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Hi everyone,


1Have you heard of the KKK?
-I've heard of it, but don't know what it is.
-I've never heard of it.
-I've heard of it and do know what it is.

2Did you know that the KKK had 6 million members in the past?
-yes
-no

3Which of the following statements is not a requirement for joining the KKK? choose one.
-You have to be a Christian.
-You need to be an American citizen.
-you must be faithful to the constitution of america.
-You've got to have your own gown(the KKK costume).

4The KKK organisation is often branded as being racist by people or media sources. Do you share this opinion? Give a explanation.
-Yes, because.....
-No, because.....

5Do you support the Republicans or the Democrats? If you are not from America you can skip this qeustion.
-Pro Republican
-Pro Democratic

6In 1865 the American civil war ended and people from the North could move to the South again. Several people from the North decided to do that, mainly because they wanted the people from the South to respect the constitution. A large part of the population of the south didn't like this situation. They rerferred to these people who moved from the North to the South as..?
-Backstabbers
-Carpetbaggers
-Slaves of modern day

7In 1966 the black panther party was founded. This party also used a lot of violence to achieve its goal. Do you think that you can compare it to the KKK?
-Yes
-No
-Maybe

8The Black Panthers and the KKK did not often confront eachother. What was the main reason for this?
-The government prevented this.
-They both thought they had fewer members.
-The members of the black panthers settled mainly in the big cities and the kkk on the countryside.

9The Black Panther Party officialy no longer has any members whereas the KKK still does have members. How many members does the KKK have nowadays?
-5000-8000
-8000-12000
-12000-15000
-100000
1. Yes, have heard about it and know what it is.

2. Yes they were very popular in the 20s and 30s and still accepted until WWII.

3. I don't know and have never considered being a KKK member.

4. The KKK is very Racist. I've listened to their members when they's been on talk shows then their have been all their cross burnings to terrorize Blacks and their lynchings of Blacks they hated.

5. Neither was supporting the Democrats until they said that our votes don't matter, so will never vote for them or any member of their party. I passionately hate all Authoritarians, the enemies of Both God and man and the Democrats have gone completely Authoritarian, so as a Liberal the Republicans and Independents are the only ones I can vote for.

6. Northerners did not move to the South only Carpetbaggers trying to steal everything not nailed down. The Southerners are right about them being vermin.

7. Yes, a Racist and a Thug is a Racist Thug whatever color they are. though as a White I hate Black Panthers more as their hate and violence is directed at me.

8. Trolls with guns don't really want to die and see if hell is real or not.

9. No idea how many KKK still exist.

Disclaimer: the KKK might consider me a non-White as I'm 1/8 Jewish, however the Jewish DNA could not of passed to me as males don't get MT-DNA from their fathers only from their mothers. Also three members of my family were famous and all of them were Crypto-Jews. Lol, one of them was a Grand Dragon of the KKK - talk about owning the Goyim . Most Americans can't tell if someone is Jewish or not and that includes the KKK members.
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I've heard of it and do know what it is.

no

You've got to have your own gown(the KKK costume).

Yes, because.....their goals are for the best interest of white people, as opposed to human beings; which is inherently what racism is

American yet don't participate in politics

Carpetbaggers

Yes

The members of the black panthers settled mainly in the big cities and the kkk on the countryside

5000-8000
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See also - https://nypost.com/2016/06/30/the-ku...-rising-again/
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Hi everyone,

I am a Dutch student and I am researching American history with a focus on racial relations. I would kindly like to ask you to answer a couple of questions in the form of a multiple choice and also a couple of questions asking for your opinion. If you don't want to post your opinion on the forum, you can also send me a private message with your answers.
Thank you in advance! kind regards Sebastiaan

1Have you heard of the KKK?
-I've heard of it, but don't know what it is.
-I've never heard of it.
-I've heard of it and do know what it is.

2Did you know that the KKK had 6 million members in the past?
-yes
-no

3Which of the following statements is not a requirement for joining the KKK? choose one.
-You have to be a Christian.
-You need to be an American citizen.
-you must be faithful to the constitution of america.
-You've got to have your own gown(the KKK costume).

4The KKK organisation is often branded as being racist by people or media sources. Do you share this opinion? Give a explanation.
-Yes, because.....
-No, because.....

5Do you support the Republicans or the Democrats? If you are not from America you can skip this qeustion.
-Pro Republican
-Pro Democratic

6In 1865 the American civil war ended and people from the North could move to the South again. Several people from the North decided to do that, mainly because they wanted the people from the South to respect the constitution. A large part of the population of the south didn't like this situation. They rerferred to these people who moved from the North to the South as..?
-Backstabbers
-Carpetbaggers
-Slaves of modern day

7In 1966 the black panther party was founded. This party also used a lot of violence to achieve its goal. Do you think that you can compare it to the KKK?
-Yes
-No
-Maybe

8The Black Panthers and the KKK did not often confront eachother. What was the main reason for this?
-The government prevented this.
-They both thought they had fewer members.
-The members of the black panthers settled mainly in the big cities and the kkk on the countryside.

9The Black Panther Party officialy no longer has any members whereas the KKK still does have members. How many members does the KKK have nowadays?
-5000-8000
-8000-12000
-12000-15000
-100000
1. yes
2. yes
3. no idea about what it takes but I notice you didn't indicate being white was a criteria. I believe it is actually the only one that matters.
4. Yes, the KKK is a racist organization.
5. My politics are none of your concern. However, KKK members and other white supremacists are overwhelmingly Republican. Not all Republicans are KKK or supremacists but pretty much all KKK and Supremacists are Republicans. The switch from Dem to GOP occurred during the Civil Rights Era as blacks joined the Democratic Party. This is why the south was dominated by conservative Democrats until the 70s when they turned Republican.
6. carpetbaggers
7. no, the KKK was formed by white people to keep black people down. The Black Panthers were formed by black people to lift black people up. There is a large difference even though I am not particularly excited about either group.
8. Geography is one reason but the other main reason is time. When the Black Panthers rose up the KKK was already mostly down and out of favor. They had become quite small.
9. They are a secret organization so I do not know. However, there has been a disturbing increase in KKK and White Supremacist activity in the US lately. I fear their membership roles are on the rise.
8.
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1. Yes.
2. Yes
3. I don't know anyone who tried to join, but I would imagine you need to be white in order to do so.
4. Yes, they are racist and they don't deny it.
5. I don't think this has anything to do with the KKK
6. Carpetbaggers
7. The only comparison that I can think of is that both groups started out as vigilante groups.
8. I'm not sure, but I would think it was because they just didn't come across one another much.
9. I don't know how many members they have, but I do know they have grown since Obama was president.
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-I've heard of it and do know what it is.


-yes.


Depends. The Klan has never seriously respected the United States Constitution, for all of its latter-day talk of "100% Americanism." The First KKK was formed as a terrorist insurgency whose goals included negating the Reconstruction Amendments, otherwise known as the XIII, XIV, and XV Amendments which, respectively: abolished slavery and indentured servitude (except as punishment for a crime); addressed citizens' rights and guaranteed equality before the law; and prohibited either the state or federal governments from denying citizens the right to vote based on, "race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

As to costumes, the members of the First KKK employed a bizarre mélange of homemade outfits (not surprising in a guerrilla movement), and the Second KKK sought to standardize (and make a profit out of selling) KKK uniforms based on the costumes used in D. W. Griffith's 1915 film The Birth of a Nation, which shamelessly romanticized the First KKK and lionized it's racism and terrorism.


Yes, because it is and always has been a white nationalist Christian identity group.


Unsure what this question has to do with anything. The Klan transcended party lines. The First KKK was overwhelmingly opposed to the Republican Party and made up of either former or active supporters of the Democratic Party. The Second KKK supported the Republican Party in the North and West, while most Klansmen in the Solid South supported the one-party rule of white supremacist Southern Democrats who had been restored to power by the First KKK. The Third KKK also supported Southern Democrats, and then largely shifted its support to the Republican Party once the Republican Party began to oppose the Civil Rights Movement and began appealing to the most reactionary and conservative Southern interests beginning in the late 1960s and crystallizing in the 1980s.

The tendency of those who identify as members of the KKK to support the Republican Party has continued until the present day, with the most prominent Klansman in the United States, David Duke, having served as a Republican representative in the Louisiana State House from 1989 to 1992, having been the Republican candidate for U.S. Senator from Louisiana in 1990, having been the Republican nominee for Governor of Louisiana in 1991, and rejoining the Republican Party in 2016 (he had left in 1999) as a vocal supporter of Donald Trump.


"Carpetbaggers" or "damnyankees." The many Southerners—white and black—who assisted in the project of Reconstruction were slandered as "scalawags" by white supremacist insurgents (the KKK, the Red Shirts, the White League, etc.) and their collaborators and sympathizers.


No. Comparatively, the Black Panther Party employed a fraction of the violence employed by the KKK in any of its various iterations. Too, the victims of violence at the hand of the Black Panther Party overwhelmingly tended to be either other people involved in the Black Panther movement, or the police, not random civilians.

They were not often present in the same locales to a sufficient degree that would produce armed confrontation.

Hard to say, as there is no singular KKK, but rather a number of splinter groups and autonomous cells. The Southern Poverty Law Center estimates that there are somewhere between 5,000 and 8,000 members of "the" KKK at present.
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