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Old February 27th, 2018, 03:55 PM   #1
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How bad was Fidel Castro compared to other latin american dictators?


Latin America are known to have had many dictators and the most famous/infamous one is probably Fidel Castro. I have heard several different perspectives on Castro. The american propaganda has portrayed him as a ruthless tyrant who violently toppled the government of a successful and prospering Cuba, and in general almost like a new Hitler. While his apologetics portray him like this great liberator who liberated Cuba, brought social equality and justice and created a modern Cuba with a very good educational system and a world class healthcare system and everything he did was for the greater good for Cuba.

How accurate are these two perspective on him? Are the common healthcare claims about Castro true or is it pretty much a lie?

How many victims did his regime claim in terms of repression? I have heard several different estimates. Some people say his regime killed about 3000-4000. while other have estimated about 15 000 or even as high as 100 000. How reliable are these estimates?

How does Castros regime, his repression of dissidents compare to that of other dictators in Latin america like Rafael Trujillo, Augusto Pinochet, Alfredo Stroessner, Jorge Videla and other similar people in latin america during the cold war era?
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Old February 28th, 2018, 12:24 AM   #2
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Hey Metal....
Is Latin América known for having had many dictators?? Certainly Trujillo, Pinochet, Videla and Stroessner are among the worst. Are they not known for having had USA's support to get installed as dictators or to continue??
Castro was an oportunistic lier. There's a video from the firsts days saying "algunos tienen miedo porque se piensan que nosotros somos comunistas" (some are affraid thinking we are communists). A couple of months later he said "somos comunistas hasta la médula" (we are communists to the bone).
His regime made thousands of summary trials to execute people who they thought would be Batista's collaborators and would bring the counter revolution. Che Guevara was the main executor.
But don't you think you'll find in english text books an objective view on Castro. His regime must have done something good for Cuba. And also lots if bad things. Soviet union is not there to support Cuba. Venezuela is felling in parts. Cuba is standing there.
Other latin américan dictators were much worse for their own people. Why don't they call international atention?? Because they didn't kill in the name of communism, they did it claiming to kill communists.
Have you seen Cuban Maroon on TV?? Such as those from El Salvador or Nicaragua??
Have you ever heard about the Habana's Drug Cartel such as those of Colombia or México??
Have you ever seen a picture of a cuban "favela" or "villa miseria" such as those in the rest of Latin América with narrow streets, zero social service and ruled by drug lords,??
May be the truth has a lot from both positions you quoted.
IMHO.

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Hey Metal....
Is Latin América known for having had many dictators?? Certainly Trujillo, Pinochet, Videla and Stroessner are among the worst. Are they not known for having had USA's support to get installed as dictators or to continue??
Castro was an oportunistic lier. There's a video from the firsts days saying "algunos tienen miedo porque se piensan que nosotros somos comunistas" (some are affraid thinking we are communists). A couple of months later he said "somos comunistas hasta la médula" (we are communists to the bone).
His regime made thousands of summary trials to execute people who they thought would be Batista's collaborators and would bring the counter revolution. Che Guevara was the main executor.
But don't you think you'll find in english text books an objective view on Castro. His regime must have done something good for Cuba. And also lots if bad things. Soviet union is not there to support Cuba. Venezuela is felling in parts. Cuba is standing there.
Other latin américan dictators were much worse for their own people. Why don't they call international atention?? Because they didn't kill in the name of communism, they did it claiming to kill communists.
Have you seen Cuban Maroon on TV?? Such as those from El Salvador or Nicaragua??
Have you ever heard about the Habana's Drug Cartel such as those of Colombia or México??
Have you ever seen a picture of a cuban "favela" or "villa miseria" such as those in the rest of Latin América with narrow streets, zero social service and ruled by drug lords,??
May be the truth has a lot from both positions you quoted.
IMHO.

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Finding an objective view on Castro is like finding the holy grail almost
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Old February 28th, 2018, 02:33 AM   #4

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Fidel repeatedly drew against him the wrath of the United States - finding allies in the so-called communist bloc.

Communism Dictatorship Fascius etc. Which one is the best?
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Old February 28th, 2018, 02:33 AM   #5

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very very brutal.

all dictators control the media and oppress political opponents. Castro added communist ideology to the mix which meant taking control of businesses, thus turning successful entrepreneurs into impoverished slaves of the state. which destroyed economic progress. Cuba ended up with a governing class and a low-wage working class and very few people in between. even professionals like doctors and lawyers often drove taxis or catered dinners to make ends meet.
not that there was much to spend their money on. staples like oil and rice were routinely short in the public stores (though always available in the elite shops for the communist party leaders, in which the public was not allowed).

if that wasn't enough he declared a war on Christianity, making it practically illegal to have religious ceremonies and holidays (like, you know, Christmas) and filling the remaining churches with government spies.

under non-communists like Batista at least one could run a business and make some money. and celebrate your faith. and leave.

a lot of the economic hardship of course has been blamed on the US boycott, but Cuba continued to trade with Canada, Mexico and anyone else.

the only thing worse than a dictator is a communist dictator. hard to believe that free health care and universal literacy (in state-controlled propaganda-centric schools) were worth it. lots of people made boats and rafts to escape this workers paradise. it's been said, people vote with their feet.

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Old February 28th, 2018, 02:49 AM   #6
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Hey Sailorsammmm

If you really want to talk about Fidel Castro.... you should first read something not written by unitedstater media.

How can you defend Batista??

If you want to critecize latin american dictators.... you should first take a look on the CIA sponsored programs to install them.
Not to mention you know nothing about comunnism.
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I agree with the other poster who said you won't find anything objective about Cuba and Castro in the US.

I went to Cuba last summer (July, 2017) and I talked to many locals, our tour guide, etc about Castro and life in Cuba in general. Most disagreed with some of Castro's policies, especially around privately owned businesses (up until recently all businesses were owned by the state) but none suggested that he was the brutal tyrant that he is portrayed to be by the US.

I think, as with most things, is to skeptical about what you are told is the truth, see/investigate it for yourself and then reach your own conclusions.

On a side note, I found Cubans to be extremely friendly people, probably the most friendly of all the Latin American countries I've visited, and Havana to be a very safe, welcoming place. I had no problems at all.
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Hey Sailorsammmm

If you really want to talk about Fidel Castro.... you should first read something not written by unitedstater media.

How can you defend Batista??

If you want to critecize latin american dictators.... you should first take a look on the CIA sponsored programs to install them.
Not to mention you know nothing about comunnism.
what is 'unitedstater media'? if your referring to United States media know that they're a bunch of leftist idiots that love Castro and never say anything bad about him.

Batista, and a lot of the other 'CIA installed' strong men, were no saints, but for better or for worse Latin America developed into a cuadillo system. not the US fault. remember we were in a Cold War and the other guys weren't playing nice. sometimes you have to get your hands dirty.

bottom line is, we won.

what do I know about communism (proper spelling)? google Isle of Pines.
that tells me about all I need to know.

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Batista, and a lot of the other 'CIA installed' strong men, were no saints, but for better or for worse Latin America developed into a cuadillo system. not the US fault. remember we were in a Cold War and the other guys weren't playing nice. sometimes you have to get your hands dirty.

bottom line is, we won.

what do I know about communism (proper spelling)? google Isle of Pines.
that tells me about all I need to know.
I find this to be complete nonsense. The US/CIA has an appalling history in Latin America. If the US/CIA installs someone as leader, they are 100% responsible for the outcome.
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I agree with the other poster who said you won't find anything objective about Cuba and Castro in the US.

I went to Cuba last summer (July, 2017) and I talked to many locals, our tour guide, etc about Castro and life in Cuba in general. Most disagreed with some of Castro's policies, especially around privately owned businesses (up until recently all businesses were owned by the state) but none suggested that he was the brutal tyrant that he is portrayed to be by the US.

I think, as with most things, is to skeptical about what you are told is the truth, see/investigate it for yourself and then reach your own conclusions.

On a side note, I found Cubans to be extremely friendly people, probably the most friendly of all the Latin American countries I've visited, and Havana to be a very safe, welcoming place. I had no problems at all.
Why then have so many people of Cuban ancestry emigrated to the U.S.?
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...-united-states
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