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View Poll Results: Greatest US intelligence/covert action failure?
Pearl Harbour 10 27.78%
Battle of the Bulge 1 2.78%
Atomic Spies 3 8.33%
Chinese intervention in Korea 6 16.67%
The Bay of Pigs 7 19.44%
Tet Offensive 3 8.33%
U2 0 0%
USS Peublo 0 0%
Iranian revolution 2 5.56%
Eagle Claw 1 2.78%
Iran/Contra 1 2.78%
Other? 2 5.56%
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Old May 7th, 2018, 10:59 AM   #11

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Lack of preparation for Operation Drumbeat was another major failure, they had been warned by the British weeks in advance and were still taken by surprise.
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Old May 8th, 2018, 08:18 AM   #12

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Although FDR had been warned about the danger of an attack against Hawaii.
Nonetheless, the "War Warning" alert the week before should have been enough to prompt a far more robust and vigilant defence.

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Air patrols!?
They had the Japanese strike force on radar for cryin' out loud!
Yes but thought it was a flight of B17s returning from CONUS. Much like 9/11 it was a case of the boy who cried wolf, the agencies had warned so often people no longer took them seriously.
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Lack of preparation for Operation Drumbeat was another major failure, they had been warned by the British weeks in advance and were still taken by surprise.
I think a classic example of those new to battle vs those who'd been fighting it for 3 years.
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What's Eagle Claw? I never heard of it, and a search on line does not yield any relevant results. Must have been pretty super secret!
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What's Eagle Claw? I never heard of it, and a search on line does not yield any relevant results. Must have been pretty super secret!
try "operation Eagle Claw"
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try "operation Eagle Claw"
Oh yeah, the pitiful Jimmy Carter rescue episode. I wouldn't call that a failed intelligence or covert operation. It was just a failed military operation..

The nadir of US prestige, IMO.
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Pearl Harbor

dropping the mic

There was so much intel leading up to the event...and it was ignored, scrapped, demoted, or disconnected. Subsequent losses and net effect bigger than these other ones.

Hence, why it is default # 1.
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Oh yeah, the pitiful Jimmy Carter rescue episode. I wouldn't call that a failed intelligence or covert operation. It was just a failed military operation..

The nadir of US prestige, IMO.
Yes, the nadir of US prestige. We didn't need much more reminding after VN war and OPEC, but that was the root beer float.
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What about Bonner Frank Fellers the US military attaché in Egypt whom the British granted almost full access to their plans which he reported in detail to Washington-- unfortunately the Italians had stolen these 'Black Codes' and the Americans hadn't noticed. Rommel et al had the information before Washington did.
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What about Bonner Frank Fellers the US military attaché in Egypt whom the British granted almost full access to their plans which he reported in detail to Washington-- unfortunately the Italians had stolen these 'Black Codes' and the Americans hadn't noticed. Rommel et al had the information before Washington did.
So few know about this and yet the ramifications of it were astounding.
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