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Old June 30th, 2018, 07:10 PM   #11
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It's clearly telling us not to wear mixed fabrics.
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I don't see much room for interpretation of this.


Deuteronomy 7 New King James Version (NKJV)

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7 “When the Lord your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you, 2 and when the Lord your God delivers them over to you, you shall conquer them and utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them nor show mercy to them. 3 Nor shall you make marriages with them. You shall not give your daughter to their son, nor take their daughter for your son. 4 For they will turn your sons away from following Me, to serve other gods; so the anger of the Lord will be aroused against you and destroy you suddenly. 5 But thus you shall deal with them: you shall destroy their altars, and break down their sacred pillars, and cut down their [a]wooden images, and burn their carved images with fire."

And in the New Testament one can find "Love thy neighbor as thyself." It's less about the Bible and more about what the reader wants to find. Anyone can find whatever they're looking for somewhere in the Bible.
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Old July 1st, 2018, 08:30 AM   #13
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Christianity is favorable to maintaining not only slavery but any sort of subjugation just look at the dark ages. It teaches people who are wronged to A turn the other cheek and B convinces them there's something beyond their physical life to look forward to and if that they don't sin they will live in eternal paradise. Believing in these things will make any slave population or any population with good reason to hate their lives considerably less likely to rebel or do something about it. It's also entirely possible they used targeted messaging or different story's as well, I don't know but it's not really necessary. The same is not true of teaching people to read and write generally.
After the printing press, once people had their own Bibles and literacy increased, it would seem that "Christianity" was teaching a different messages about subjugation to guys like Zwingli, Calvin, the Dutch Reformers, Cromwell, and Washington; and in books like Lex Rex and Vindica conta Tryannos.
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And in the New Testament one can find "Love thy neighbor as thyself." It's less about the Bible and more about what the reader wants to find. Anyone can find whatever they're looking for somewhere in the Bible.
I'll take your word for it. I certainly haven't read that much of it. I heard this from a radio preacher on a drive across the desert. I wasn't sure what his point was other than don't be a Hittite or one of the other seven tribes. Probably they were idol worshipers while the Israelites worshiped the real one and only. Anyway after they killed every man, woman and child idol worshiper, they could say the Lord made us do it.

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Well I think Deuteronomy 7 was used by the ‘Pilgrim Fathers’ (or perhaps by others in the later wars with the Native Americans) to justify taking their lands and slaughtering them. Some argued this was copied by the nazis who claimed to be God fearing and God was on their side.

Now back to the original point, why teach religion to those who are serving a life sentence without parole for no crime, only because of skin colour? The religion or the teaching of it didn’t say it was wrong? What about the Israelites led by Moses against the Pharoah who enslaved them? How would they keep that chapter away or interpret it? What about
Ezekiel 25:17 where god promises To punish those who harm his believers?
Wouldn’t they question why they are enslaved and the owners were wrong?
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Well I think Deuteronomy 7 was used by the ‘Pilgrim Fathers’ (or perhaps by others in the later wars with the Native Americans) to justify taking their lands and slaughtering them. Some argued this was copied by the nazis who claimed to be God fearing and God was on their side.

Now back to the original point, why teach religion to those who are serving a life sentence without parole for no crime, only because of skin colour? The religion or the teaching of it didn’t say it was wrong? What about the Israelites led by Moses against the Pharoah who enslaved them? How would they keep that chapter away or interpret it? What about
Ezekiel 25:17 where god promises To punish those who harm his believers?
Wouldn’t they question why they are enslaved and the owners were wrong?

Not if the slaves hadn't read the Bible and were ignorant of those passages.
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Well I think Deuteronomy 7 was used by the ‘Pilgrim Fathers’ (or perhaps by others in the later wars with the Native Americans) to justify taking their lands and slaughtering them. Some argued this was copied by the nazis who claimed to be God fearing and God was on their side.

Now back to the original point, why teach religion to those who are serving a life sentence without parole for no crime, only because of skin colour? The religion or the teaching of it didn’t say it was wrong? What about the Israelites led by Moses against the Pharoah who enslaved them? How would they keep that chapter away or interpret it? What about
Ezekiel 25:17 where god promises To punish those who harm his believers?
Wouldn’t they question why they are enslaved and the owners were wrong?
I think teaching the Bible to slaves in the American South would be a contradiction on the part of slave owners. It would presume slaves had souls and therefore equal to slave owners in eyes of God. I don't believe property like horses and dogs, though they may be loved, are granted souls by Christian authorities. If slaves are property, can they have souls? Indeed if God protects those who believe in Him, and I were a religious slave owner who taught my slaves religion, I would just have to free my slaves and become an abolitionist. But I find that many who claim to be religious and good Christians don't have problems with contradictions.

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Africa was one of the earliest countries to practice Christianity.

I suppose we would have to pin down some demographics but I would not be surprised if there were Africans who already practiced Christianity before they were enslaved and brought to America.

Some parts of Africa have had a much longer history of Christian worship than Europe.
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Oops didn’t realise there was already a thread on this started by the OP!

Teaching Christianity to the enslaved in the US
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Africa was one of the earliest countries to practice Christianity.

I suppose we would have to pin down some demographics but I would not be surprised if there were Africans who already practiced Christianity before they were enslaved and brought to America.

Some parts of Africa have had a much longer history of Christian worship than Europe.
The North. I think the area relevant to this topic was mostly a mix of animalist and islam (West Africa).
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