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Old July 2nd, 2018, 06:40 AM   #1
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Does Democracy Really Exist in the elections of the USA? An interesting video




Who was/were historically the responsible for the creation of such really bad system? It is not a real democracy, but a puppet theater of big companies.

Are there any serious people or pressure groups who fight against this unfair system?

Share you opinion!

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Old July 2nd, 2018, 08:26 AM   #2
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There is actually a long tradition in America of people getting other people to pay their expenses for them. Perhaps the best example is that broadcast radio and TV are paid for by advertisers, not audiences. No one seems to understand the Golden Rule - he who has the gold makes the rules. TV and radio celebrities are rarely fired for their outrageous behavior. They get fired when advertisers refuse to pay for their programs.


Having businesses and special interests pay for our political campaigns and elections is just one more version of that same idea - "I want to live in a democracy but I don't want to pay for it."
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You're not wrong, however from what I have been observing the people are taking it back as much as that counts for. The US is is also not a democracy as what most people say. It is actually a Constitutional Republic. In recent years it is big companies and rich people who have been abusing the system and turning it into something else and that is a problem that needs to be dealt with, how I am not sure. You can be assured however that the people are fighting against those groups. One could argue that the result of the 2016 election was just that. That depends on one's point of view however.
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Well just want to say "Democracy" means Republic in almost every context used. The wrong definition has become so common it has become the right definition.

But yes, I agree corporations have destroyed American democracy by making sure there's either no or very limited choices that oppose their interests.
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The original poster linked to a 20-minute video, but couldn't be bothered to write a coherent paragraph saying what the video is about.
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Great question and the answer is no.

They will let us have our say up to a certain point, we can apparently vote for ANYONE we want yet there's a reason we only have two party systems.

Its because they are funded to the hilt by the same pay masters, bought and paid for.

Ever wonder why no matter how we vote nothing changes?

Its designed for whether your a bit left or a bit right, there will be someone there to tell you it'll all be ok and they'll fight for you .......... yet if you've voted now and then what's the one constant? nothing changes.

Politics is one big act, the real decisions are made by private establishments, mainly the Banks, they can buy anyone, kill anyone, we live off their product, money.

Money is everything, food, home, transport, they have the perfect drug.
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There's a lot of discussion in these forums about democracy as if it were one thing. It's not. Even Athenian democracy was limited to adult male citizens who were less than a quarter of the population. Generally democracies are countries that hold free and fair elections for public office. Elected officials actually govern. Is it surprising that abuse and corruption might exist? Democracies do not have to be direct democracies which in fact don't truly exist. In all cases the electorate delegates the responsibility of making laws and governing. If one insists on on direct democracy, then provide your plan of how it would work in any but the smallest country. Otherwise run for office yourself and show everyone how it should be done.

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There's a lot of discussion in these forums about democracy as if it were one thing. It's not. Even Athenian democracy was limited to adult male citizens who were less than a quarter of the population. Generally democracies are countries that hold free and fair elections for public office. Elected officials actually govern. Is it surprising that abuse and corruption might exist? Democracies do not have to be direct democracies which in fact don't truly exist. In all cases the electorate delegates the responsibility of making laws and governing. If one insists on on direct democracy, then provide your plan of how it would work in any but the smallest country. Otherwise run for office yourself and show everyone how it should be done.
Wrong. Such a direct corporation/company rule does not exist in most EU countries, where the political parties are enough rich, that they don't care much about the external financial support, because mostly the states finance the budget of political parties. It is the only way to preserve democracy and avoid the company-ocracy and firm-ocracy of the USA.
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Wrong. Such a direct corporation/company rule does not exist in most EU countries, where the political parties are enough rich, that they don't care much about the external financial support, because mostly the states finance the budget of political parties. It is the only way to preserve democracy and avoid the company-ocracy and firm-ocracy of the USA.
Not wrong. You're trolling.
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There's a lot of discussion in these forums about democracy as if it were one thing. It's not. Even Athenian democracy was limited to adult male citizens who were less than a quarter of the population. Generally democracies are countries that hold free and fair elections for public office. Elected officials actually govern. Is it surprising that abuse and corruption might exist? Democracies do not have to be direct democracies which in fact don't truly exist. In all cases the electorate delegates the responsibility of making laws and governing.

No, in a democracy the people govern. What you consider a feature would be a bug in classical democracy. In Athens all officials but the generals were appointed by lottery, to stop them from doing anything but execute the decisions of the people as expressed through the assembly.

Election for public office and delegation of power through voting is the hallmark of the Republic. People can vote on who is to rule them but have themselves no say in government.
Most political thinkers has thought very little of democracy or the "tyranny of the majority" much like founding fathers whose system is largely built around checking it.

The trouble with democracy is that all voters need to have similar stakes and interests. Otherwise minorities will simply be swept aside, which is why larger states don't care for the will of the people.
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