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Old July 7th, 2018, 09:00 PM   #1
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American toughness


This seems a bit stereotypical (and Americans typically don't wear this aspect of American culture on their sleeve); but I do think it is part of United States history and culture.



Americans seem to have this "tough fantasy" about being a bunch of tough ranchers, athletes, work-aholics, businessmen and so on, who are tougher than this or that group of panzies.



It seems like I am grossly exaggerrating; despite that fact that it is in a way obvious (as in, nobody in Texas goes around bragging about how tough they are, and no beaureaucrat is going to bother you. Yet, there does seem to be an orderly and "tough" aspect of Texas culture.)



To me, this is almost an aspect of the United States being a business run society (that pretends it's a bit of a frontier society; a bunch of hard-nosed businessmen who think that they are tougher than the Beaureacrats)


Any thoughts on this?
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Old July 7th, 2018, 11:32 PM   #2

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I think a leftover of the frontier mentality?
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Old July 8th, 2018, 01:14 AM   #3

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Almost every country tells itself it’s tougher than its weak and effeminate rivals. Just an ego massage.
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Old July 8th, 2018, 02:47 AM   #4
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Well, actually, I don't get the point what the thread host tried to express.
Did he refer to the "American-style adventurism" in the Western frontier in the 19th century ? What kind of conclusion he wanted to show us ? This culture was incorporated into the Americanism ?
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Frontier mentality - rugged individualism
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Old July 9th, 2018, 05:07 PM   #6
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Well, we have socialism for the wealthy here and rugged individualism for the poor.
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The "Mountain Men" who explored the early West were tough but so were the French explorers of the early fur trade. They chose to leave the comforts of civilization for various reasons. However I don't think the vast majority of Americans were any "tougher" than other identifiable populations. Native Americans obviously were adapted to a harsher life than most contemporary Euro-Americans but for them their life was normal. They didn't choose it. As far as well fed and indulged modern Americans being "tough"; are you kidding?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colter

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The "Mountain Men" who explored the early West were tough but so were the French explorers of the early fur trade. They chose to leave the comforts of civilization for various reasons. However I don't think the vast majority of Americans were any "tougher" than other identifiable populations. Native Americans obviously were adapted to a harsher life than most contemporary Euro-Americans but for them their life was normal. They didn't choose it. As far as well fed and indulged modern Americans being "tough"; are you kidding?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Colter

Oh, it's definitely a story we Americans tell ourselves to make us feel better about our place in the world. We don't have thousands of years of heritage or culture so we have to invent something else about ourselves.
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I don't know about this... I've experienced Austin, Texas.
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I don't know about this... I've experienced Austin, Texas.
What about Austin, Texas?
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