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Old July 9th, 2018, 03:24 AM   #11
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The March '61 tariff was passed after the South seceded so that could not possibly be a cause of the Civil War. It is proof that the North wanted a higher tariff but was unable to get it through Congress over Southern opposition.
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Old July 9th, 2018, 04:15 AM   #12
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Secession also allowed the 37th Congress to enact the Morrill Land Grant Act (establishing State Colleges) The Homestead Act, the Pacific Railroad Act, the Legal Tender Act, establish the Department of Agriculture and (perhaps less happily) an Income Tax.

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The March '61 tariff was passed after the South seceded so that could not possibly be a cause of the Civil War. It is proof that the North wanted a higher tariff but was unable to get it through Congress over Southern opposition.
The slave owners were quite clear they were seceding to protect their $4 billion investment in slaves. But the poster asked for 1861 tariff numbers, so I told him about the 1861 tariff act. The website Dentatus gave him shows from where that professor got his 1857 numbers, so he has a model for researching the 1861 numbers if he wants them.

If he finds $4 billion in tariff money I'll be shocked.
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It's a comparative paper, and some US numbers seemed appropriate. But as warned, I know little American history. On this thread, I got plenty of ideas to get things in motion. Thank you all.

Since the 1861 tariff passed after succession, I don't think I'll need it. But thank you for the warning.
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It's a comparative paper, and some US numbers seemed appropriate. But as warned, I know little American history. On this thread, I got plenty of ideas to get things in motion. Thank you all.

Since the 1861 tariff passed after succession, I don't think I'll need it. But thank you for the warning.
The increased tariff that passed in 1861 was a contentious issue since 1859, far before secession. If you are going to investigate the fantasy that the secession was over tariffs, that tariff and not the 1857 tariff is the one you should look at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Tariff
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The March '61 tariff was passed after the South seceded so that could not possibly be a cause of the Civil War.
By that logic, since Sumter occurred after the South seceded, it could not possibly be the cause of war.
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A reminder that this thread is about details/statistics on tariffs and import prices shortly before Southern succession, not whether or not tariffs (or any other factors) contributed to the War's outbreak.

As Jax mentioned, there are already other threads for that conversation.

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The March '61 tariff was passed after the South seceded so that could not possibly be a cause of the Civil War. It is proof that the North wanted a higher tariff but was unable to get it through Congress over Southern opposition.
The Morrill Tariff was enacted after 7 states seceded, so there were fewer votes against it, but before 4 additional states seceded.

Below are 5 different quotes from the debates of the Virginia Secession Convention.

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And even while we are attempting to adjust our difficulties with the North, instead of giving us an olive branch they give us the*Morrill*tariff—the worst tariff that ever was inflicted upon any people who call themselves free.

*it would require the North to give up its tariff policy and give us free trade; but instead of that they give us the*Morrill*tariff.

The very first thing they do is to pass a*Morrill*tariff bill for the purpose of robbing and plundering the South.

*so hungry for the spoils, the first thing they have done is to pass that iniquitous*Morrill*Tariff Bill—a bill by which it was intended to plunder the South

at the very moment this Convention was discussing the modes of restoring union and fraternity, a Black Republican Congress passed, and a Black Republican President signed the odious*Morrill*Tariff, more unequal and oppressive to the South than that bill of abominations of 1832, which came near disrupting the government and destroying the confederacy.
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I give up.
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I give up.

I know what you mean. Every thread eventually goes off topic. If there's more information you want, keep asking questions. Some of us might answer you, but there's no stopping other people from putting their two cents in.
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