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Old July 13th, 2018, 10:43 PM   #1
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If the invasion of Panama was wrong, why didn't the world protect Panama?


According to wikipedia, the invasion of Panama provoked an international outrage, so why didn't the world stop America and defended Panama?
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Kundalini .. as many others said responding to the similar thread you posted about Vietnam.. The "world" isn't a single and united country.

And also when it comes to politics.. governments don't really care whether something is "wrong" or "right", because aside from the fact that at various times it can't be described as anything but subjective, they follow their interests and this manifested itself in various conflicts in modern history and continues to do so.
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Kundalini .. as many others said responding to the similar thread you posted about Vietnam.. The "world" isn't a single and united country.

And also when it comes to politics.. governments don't really care whether something is "wrong" or "right", because aside from the fact that at various times it can't be described as anything but subjective, they follow their interests and this manifested itself in various conflicts in modern history and continues to do so.

Exactly right. Right and wrong have little to do with international politics.
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Kundalini .. as many others said responding to the similar thread you posted about Vietnam.. The "world" isn't a single and united country.

And also when it comes to politics.. governments don't really care whether something is "wrong" or "right", because aside from the fact that at various times it can't be described as anything but subjective, they follow their interests and this manifested itself in various conflicts in modern history and continues to do so.
Then why do so many people complain about it then?!

If they complain about it, then they must have done something wrong!
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While it may have been wrong and outraged many.
The ability to actually stop it is quite different.
The world was outraged by Rwanda.... couldn’t stop it. And that is a country with no power.
The world was outraged by China taking Tibet. Couldn’t stop it.
The world is outraged by Israel’s continued theft of Palestinian land. It happens.
The world was outraged at Russia’s invasion of Georgia.
The world was outraged by Croat and Serb behavior in The Balkans.... didn’t stop it.
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Then why do so many people complain about it then?!

If they complain about it, then they must have done something wrong!
Was the invasion wrong? We could debate that for weeks. But did it matter that much for governments so that they would be willing to cross the United States which is whether we like it or not the world's no. 1 great power? Not really. I'm afraid right and wrong don't matter in politics as far as the subject's concerned.
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Old July 14th, 2018, 07:01 AM   #7
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"Everyone talks about the weather. No one ever does anything about it." - Mark Twain


Talk is cheap. It's also easy. Taking action is hard. Taking effective action is even harder. You can always find people complaining about something. It's relatively rare when people take action about something.


No one, not even the Soviet Union, could have successfully opposed the US invasion of Panama. No one else has, or had, that kind of power projection capability in Central America. If the US had invaded Austria in 1989, the USSR had plenty of military power in Eastern Europe and could have come to Austria's assistance, but not in Panama. US military power in Central America in 1989 was like Mark Twain's weather. No one could do anything about it. At least not short of a ten year war of insurgency. Those always seem to stump the US, but nothing was going to work short term.

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Another thing is that Panama and Egypt are special cases. Both countries have very important canals, they will be left for their own devices until their policy endangers free passage for major power. If they do that both of these countries will be immediately invaded and the "World" will do nothing.
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According to wikipedia, the invasion of Panama provoked an international outrage, so why didn't the world stop America and defended Panama?
There was no 'international outrage'. Why should anyone be outraged by freeing a country from the grips of a dictator who was indicted on charges of racketeering, drug smuggling, and money laundering?

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Panama, as part of the Caribbean Basin, is in that vital sphere of strategic interest for the United States. As Chlodio has mentioned above, no one was in any position to take any action against US moves in 1989. No one was in any position to do so in 1983 when Cuban-Soviet influence in Grenada was perceived as counter to US interests.

The Monroe Doctrine - as well as its several corollary interpretations - does in fact express the strategic outlook of the US, and of its interests, in the Western Hemisphere. What "the world" thinks about that is irrelevant.

If China can get away with bullying and militarily intimidating its neighbors in the South China Sea (which they are, and will continue, doing), any faux outrage against the actions and policies of the US anywhere around the Caribbean is cancelled out by the military capability of the United States. Nothing practical can be done about it. If the UN wants to be as useless as it always is, the US will veto any condemning resolution, and will act according to raison d'etat.

Just as an aside, Mr. Noriega brought it on his country by standing in front of cameras, waving a machete, and "declaring war" on the US. Not too smart when the US still had about 10,000 troops in the Canal Zone and the facilities to receive more flown in at very short notice.

EDIT: Also, it should be noted that Mr. Noriega, a former CIA asset, was beginning to court Cuba, Nicaragua and also Soviet assistance as a potential swing to foreign influence detrimental to US interests in the Caribbean.

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