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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:32 PM   #1

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Crime rate in America 1800's


Before America was a 1st world country it was filled with wild gun slingin cowboys, and relentess and vicious indians.

Right now, America has a pretty good crime rate compared to alot of other countries. But back then, im sure there was alot of crime. Alot unrecorded too, cause it was so easy to get away with crime back then.
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Old June 28th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #2

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well there wasnt nearly as much as today, or even as much as there was during the early 20th century. crime really started to develop in america with prohibition; thats when organized crime started up to move then-illegal alcohol around the country
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Old June 29th, 2010, 06:33 AM   #3

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I had to study some prison registers during the years shortly after the Civil War for a research project once. You'd be surprised at the crime and recidivism rate for that period.

Prior to the Civil War there was a lot of crime as well. America was a hotbed for protests and these often turned violent. Not to mention the lack of law enforcement.

The higher rates of crime in America today compared to it's past could be a result of more laws to break....
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Old June 29th, 2010, 06:52 AM   #4

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it depends on what area you talk of. In the bigger cities crime was a large thing, mostly poor people stealing food.
In the west, it was cattle rustlers and indians(the the drunk guy). but the west had a fast judiciary system, and people were more polite, if you were not polite you might meet a peacemaker on bad terms.
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Old June 30th, 2010, 07:30 PM   #5

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Check out Herbert Asbury's "Gangs of New York" for insight into crime in the 19th century. His lurid and somewhat suspect history was the basis for the movie. While the movie was grossly inaccurate historically, it did capture a time and place where gangsters ran rampant and dead bodies clogged the East River and Bill the Butcher was a real person. Crime then was only counted if it was against people who "mattered", police were corrupt, fire departments started fires, so they could put them out while looting the house and law enforcement was spotty at best.

I am familiar with a similar history in Baltimore, which in the ante-bellum era was plagued by the same street gangs and "Native Americans" as NYC. The Plug Uglies, Buckets of Blood, Dead Rabbits and Blood Tubs nearly ran the city. My avatar, Poe, may have been done in by such gangsters who were drugging and forcing people to vote for their favored candidates (vote early and often). He was discovered apparently drugged and incoherent, dressed in somebody else's clothes on election day. He never recovered. Urban crime then made today seem positively placid.

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Old June 30th, 2010, 07:47 PM   #6

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Right now, America has a pretty good crime rate compared to alot of other countries.
That does not roll with this: America has more prisoners per capita than anywhere in the world....Prisoners in America are convicted criminals, so let's look at some facts today: http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...capita&b_map=1
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Old June 30th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #7

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Lets discuss the history of Borneo.

Just to keep things simple, it was arbitrially created at the whim of some person or group of persons that were born into authority.
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That does not roll with this: America has more prisoners per capita than anywhere in the world....Prisoners in America are convicted criminals, so let's look at some facts today: http://www.nationmaster.com/red/grap...capita&b_map=1
I dont think the rate of imprisonment is a reliable indicator for the levels of crime in a particular society. If it was, they basically suggest that the US is the most crime-ridden country on earth.
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Lets discuss the history of Borneo.

Just to keep things simple, it was arbitrially created at the whim of some person or group of persons that were born into authority.
Wrong thread...Open one and I'll be glad to tell you all about it. This one's about the history of crime in America.

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I dont think the rate of imprisonment is a reliable indicator for the levels of crime in a particular society. If it was, they basically suggest that the US is the most crime-ridden country on earth.
I don't understand: caught and tried criminals do not make a benchmark of crime? If this is so, than the whole thread is in peril of discussing unknown crime with unknown statistics.
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I don't understand...
Try a little harder. It is not that difficult.
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