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View Poll Results: Should the U.S. have entered the War of 1812
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Old August 24th, 2010, 04:15 PM   #1

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War of 1812: Should the U.S. have entered?


Although the U.S. may have had a morally just case to do so, it was ill prepared. The burning of the white house, the thousands of deaths, and the large financial strain on the country, all for status quo ante bellum, in my opinion wasn't worth it.

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Factors to consider other than "moral justification:"

We were established on this huge continent; Britain wasn't. They already knew they could not subdue such a huge land mass from the 1770s-80s.

Britain was at war with France; we were not. That was an enormous force multiplier for us.

The White House was burned - so what? It was just another house fire.

Britain came out of the war with multiple humiliations at sea (and on Lake Erie).

The lasting impression of the war was the defeat of British troops at New Orleans....another black eye for British arms at the hands of backwoods provincials.

So who got the most benefit from the war? I would argue the US did, even though it was in the form of hemispheric reputation. By 1820, the major European powers were all gone from the Hemisphere, and the US never fought another war against Britain. The two countries grew slowly together as states whose strategic and economic interests coincided.
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I love the way American propaganda turns a humiliating defeat into a glorious victory. The capital was burned, the army failed to take Canada or exterminate the Indians, and the navy was sunk.
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I love the way American propaganda turns a humiliating defeat into a glorious victory. The capital was burned, the army failed to take Canada or exterminate the Indians, and the navy was sunk.
You need to get that mask off your face, Nick. The lack of oxygen is atrophying your mental processes. "The navy was sunk"......is that according to Wm. Bligh's after action report?

Who was left standing at New Orleans, the last action of the war?

The Monroe Doctrine was a direct outgrowth of the war, and that was a century long use of the Royal Navy (at British expense) as an instrument of US policy.
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You need to get that mask off your face, Nick. The lack of oxygen is atrophying your mental processes. "The navy was sunk"......is that according to Wm. Bligh's after action report?

Who was left standing at New Orleans, the last action of the war?

The Monroe Doctrine was a direct outgrowth of the war, and that was a century long use of the Royal Navy (at British expense) as an instrument of US policy.
You need to learn some manners young man. The last skirmish of the Civil War happened to be a Confederate victory. Likewise, the battle of New Orleans was fought after the peace treaty was signed and had little effect on the outcome of the war. Let me ask you a few questions: Who suffered the most casualties? How much British territory did America take? Did the Brits end impressment? And what was Canada's status after the war?
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The war found the US. The US went into this conflict definitely the underdog, but Great Britain was more than still sore from the bloody nose the US gave her from the revolution.
British encroachments on US rights was certainly a factor, but Britain as obviously more concerned with what was going on in Europe than the US.
-The US wasn't ready for this two year war which really ended in a draw, but it did acquire Spanish West Florida and Indian power in the Southwest & Northwest was broken.
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Agreed. The Indians were the ones who lost the most
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The US had no business declaring war without an army. It could do nothing to the British Isles or the British Navy's fleets. Invading Canda? As if the British would just let them keep it. It was full of the loyalists that left after Independence. Conquering Canda would have been a huge mistake anyway because the US would have to deal with Quebec for the next two hundred years.

Declaring war on the undisputed naval power of the Atlantic when your population lives on a huge seaboard and they can just sail right up to all your major cities. Not too smart.

New Orleans was more fantasy than fact. The British did much more to hurt themselves than the Americas did. But then again, winning is winning.
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How do you define a winner in this case?

If I had to declare it anything, I would declare it a draw. Each side taking their licks, but ultimately neither gaining anything.

As well it should be noted that much British force and effort was expended fighting Napoleon in Europe The Americans hardly faced the might of the empire in this war.
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I think its pretty much the conclusion that very little was gained in this action as both sides seemed shoved into fighting to save face.
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