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Old December 5th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #801

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Manifest Destiny, as a term, was coined in the 1830's, IIRC, and did not become a serious national political ideology until the 1840's, long after France had lost all her North American holdings.

Thats not the discussion but rather the idea that if Canada was French rather than British it would have been all sweetness and light, no war of 1812 (or any other year following that) etc because Americans like the French but not the British.

The new USA wanted Florida, Louisana, Alaska in short all of North America sometime or another a play would have been made for Canada, whether it be held by the nice French or the nasty old Brits.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #802

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Thats not the discussion but rather the idea that if Canada was French rather than British it would have been all sweetness and light, no war of 1812 (or any other year following that) etc because Americans like the French but not the British.

The new USA wanted Florida, Louisana, Alaska in short all of North America sometime or another a play would have been made for Canada, whether it be held by the nice French or the nasty old Brits.

Agreed with this totally. The landed and monied class of America was dead set on devouring this continent whether they had to step on the British Empire, the French empire or the natives. Look what they did to Mexico and the Mexicans were the ones in the right. Not the americans
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It is an insight to read the words of one who was taken captive. In this book:
Jefferson's War: America's First War on Terror 1801-1805: Joseph Wheelan: 9780786714049: Amazon.com: Books

There are accounts of the crew(s) of American ships and what they did
to survive, working, living conditions and even the religious conversion
by some.
That looks interesting and I'm going to buy a copy. About ten years ago I read To The Shores of Tripoli by A. B. C. Whipple and thought it was very good.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 07:00 AM   #804

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There is a speculative history section on this forum and far too much that is being posted here belongs there.
It relates directly to the War of 1812 and United States relations with Britain and France, and French involvement on the continent.
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Anybody interested in this little war?
A pointless and costly conflict but at least we got you back for beating us in the American revolution. I actually served with a guy called Pratt whose ancestor burned the Whitehouse
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Agreed with this totally. The landed and monied class of America was dead set on devouring this continent whether they had to step on the British Empire, the French empire or the natives. Look what they did to Mexico and the Mexicans were the ones in the right. Not the americans
If by 'landed and monied class' you mean 'the land hungry poor' in addition to whatever other groups you might feel like including under that moniker, you might have a point.
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