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Old June 24th, 2006, 10:15 AM   #1

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The War of 1812


Lets get some American history goin back in this thread shall we?

The war of 1812 is the conflict between the Americans and the British after the Napoleonic wars.

Although the British and Americans had skirmishes during the early 1800's, it really started to heat up after the British finished with the French problem.
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Old June 26th, 2006, 08:56 AM   #2

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The War of 1812 marks the third time that America attempted to invade and conquer Canada. All three times failed.
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Actually the British were not done with the French when the War began. When America declared war in June of 1812, Napoleon hadn't even invaded Russia yet, and the British were still fighting in Portugal. Thus the British saw it as a real backstab at a time when they were in dire straits.

How much you wanna bet that the 4th time won't fail? :mrgreen:
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One of my favorite characters from American history played a significant role in the War of 1812. Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry was placed in command of the US Naval forces on Lake Erie. He was charged with building a fleet from scratch to meet the British. On September 10, 1813 the new fleet met the British at the Battle of Lake Erie. Perry commanded the USS Lawrence with a second brig under the command of Captain Jesse Elliott. Perry engaged the British fleet and directed Captain Elliott to follow into the battle. For unknown reasons, Elliott comfortably watched from a distance when Perry single-handedly attacked the British squadron. While the USS Lawrence inflicted some heavy damage on the British, Perry lost nearly every man on the ship, fighting on until every canon had been rendered useless. At this point, he gathered up his battle flag, jumped in a rowboat, and rowed through heavy fire a half-mile to Elliott's ship the USS Niagra. Perry took over command of the Niagara, organized the remaining US ships, and attacked and captured the entire British squadron.

My guess isthat most Americans have not heard the name Oliver Hazard Perry. This is unfortunate given his actions were certainly worth an honerable mention in the history books.
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I forgot to add a very short book review. I just finished Union 1812: The Americans Who Fought the Second War of Independence by AJ Langguth. The book is basically a sequel to his very popular Patriots. Like Patriots, the book is very light and enjoyable reading. It seems to be reasonably well researched and provides a very solid introduction to the events surrounding the War of 1812. I would recommend the book to anyone interested in any brief non-academic history of the war. I enjoyed it.
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Thanks Viron!

The War of 1812 is even considered by some to be the first war that the Americans "lost."
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Thanks Viron!

The War of 1812 is even considered by some to be the first war that the Americans "lost."
What exactly did we lose? It was status quo ante bellum at the end. We held our own against the world's superpower and by doing so, we essentially got what we wanted, Respect.
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What exactly did we lose? It was status quo ante bellum at the end. We held our own against the world's superpower and by doing so, we essentially got what we wanted, Respect.
You wanted to annex Canada, force a change in British maritime practices and to eliminate all native resistance in the Old Northwest. America failed in all three objectives in this war. Britain was otherwise occupied with Napoleonic France and her objtectives were simply to maintain the status quo, and possibly to force the Americans into recognising the establishment of a native homeland in the Old Northwest. Apart from the last objective, we got what we wanted. America got off lightly.
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I don't think Britain or the US can rightfully claim victory in this one. When reading about the results of the war, most people boil it down to positive psychological effects and national unity for both the Americans and the Canadians.

I believe one of the biggest impacts the war had on subsequent US history was the rise of Andrew Jackson. The war was a historical afterthought for the British when compared to the Napoleonic wars.
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What exactly did we lose? It was status quo ante bellum at the end. We held our own against the world's superpower and by doing so, we essentially got what we wanted, Respect.
Like Belisarius mentions, we were the aggressors in this war. Respect was far from what the real objective of this war was. We wanted Canada...not to mention with the issues going on in Europe at the time, we most likely believed the British were ripe for the picking and that it would be easy to take Canada.

Viron also brings up a good point. The one thing that comes to mind is the rise of Andrew Jackson...not only as a successful military leader, but as a national hero.
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