Henry Ford---Decorated Fascist - Page 2 - Historum

d'artanian · July 30th, 2011, 05:24 AM

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It is odd that Henry came through clean, considering how much mud should be attached to him. His love for the Nazis, and his labor relations, should sully that name rather badly.

The Henry Ford

You have to weigh that with the number of jobs he created, and the ever increasing demand for automobiles - the Ford-River Rouge plant was the biggest in the world during these years.

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Rolling Blockhead · July 30th, 2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by d'artanian

You have to weigh that with the number of jobs he created, and the ever increasing demand for automobiles - the Ford-River Rouge plant was the biggest in the world during these years.

Not really. Unless you think people like Leland Stanford, Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and John Rockefeller should get the whitewash treatment as well. I'm certainly not prepared to do that.

Rasputin1234 · July 30th, 2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolling Blockhead

Not really. Unless you think people like Leland Stanford, Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and John Rockefeller should get the whitewash treatment as well. I'm certainly not prepared to do that.

Recognizing and appreciating a person's contributions does not equal "whitewashing"

Even if Ford were a pedophile, it wouldnt change his historic achiwvments

Rolling Blockhead · July 30th, 2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasputin1234

Recognizing and appreciating a person's contributions does not equal "whitewashing"

Even if Ford were a pedophile, it wouldnt change his historic achiwvments

So as along as one creates sufficient number of jobs, he may be exonerated for any number of offenses, no matter how egregious? Interesting, to say the least.

Rasputin1234 · July 30th, 2011, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolling Blockhead

So as along as one creates sufficient number of jobs, he may be exonerated for any number of offenses, no matter how egregious? Interesting, to say the least.

No, of course not. But an egregious offense does not wipe away the positive contributions someone makes. Making Ford into a monocled moustache twirler is just as bad as making him into a patriotic white knight

Take his antisemitism, for example. Mel Gibson is very likely an antisemite as well, but so what? He still makes good movies

d'artanian · July 30th, 2011, 10:55 AM

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Not really. Unless you think people like Leland Stanford, Andrew Carnegie, Cornelius Vanderbilt, and John Rockefeller should get the whitewash treatment as well. I'm certainly not prepared to do that.

"Ford had long opposed war and continued to believe that international business could generate the prosperity that would head off wars; when World War II erupted in 1939 he said the people of the world had been
duped."

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I think the above says a lot about where his head was. I think he felt (prior to 1939) Germany was going to be successful and he wanted to cash in on that prosperity.

Rolling Blockhead · July 30th, 2011, 11:13 AM

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"Ford had long opposed war and continued to believe that international business could generate the prosperity that would head off wars; when World War II erupted in 1939 he said the people of the world had been
duped." Henry Ford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the above says a lot about where his head was. I think he felt (prior to 1939) Germany was going to be successful and he wanted to cash in on that prosperity.

I don't really see how a stunning political naivete is a positive for the man. Did he really believe Germany was building all those warships and airplanes just to look at? As far as being hoodwinked all the way until the blitzkrieg hit Poland, he must have been living under a rock. Kristallnacht happened a year previous, and Jews had their stores boycotted and their civil service jobs taken from them 6 years previously, in 1933. Their citizenship was taken away in the Nuremburg Laws, rendering them stateless people. To claim poor Henry was "tricked" by the German economic miracle is ludicrous. The miracle is that people believed that he had done anything at all beyond induct nearly all the young men into the Heer and civil work corps, and had the older men busily rearming the Reich.

d'artanian · July 30th, 2011, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Rolling Blockhead

I don't really see how a stunning political naivete is a positive for the man. Did he really believe Germany was building all those warships and airplanes just to look at? As far as being hoodwinked all the way until the blitzkrieg hit Poland, he must have been living under a rock. Kristallnacht happened a year previous, and Jews had their stores boycotted and their civil service jobs taken from them 6 years previously, in 1933. Their citizenship was taken away in the Nuremburg Laws, rendering them stateless people. To claim poor Henry was "tricked" by the German economic miracle is ludicrous. The miracle is that people believed that he had done anything at all beyond induct nearly all the young men into the Heer and civil work corps, and had the older men busily rearming the Reich.

Why would Henry be concerned? He was a businessman, not a politician. Washington wasn't concerned. Where the heck was our government when all these things were happening?

You might find this interesting:
William Dodd: The U.S. Ambassador In Hitler's Berlin : NPR

Rhysbans · July 31st, 2011, 01:12 PM

This makes me laugh