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Old August 24th, 2011, 02:16 PM   #1
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The Radicalism of the American Revolution & The Creation of the American Republic


I am currently in the process of researching the Revolutionary Era. I recently finished with Middlekauf's Glorious Cause. I bought both of these Gordon S. Wood's books, The Creation of the American Republic and The Radicalism of the American Revolution, as well as Bailyn's Ideological Origins. Is there a particular order you would recommend in reading these or other reccomendations? I know this is a rather trivial question, but any advice would help.
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Was it radical or rather conservative?

Not much changed.
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I would argue that it was most decidedly radical and much did change, but I'll save that debate for a different thread. For now, I am really just looking for any advice on the reading order of these books.
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Socially, very little changed. The French Revolution was radical.

Regardless of revisionist theories of capitalist aggrandizement and racism and all that clap-trap, the issues of the American colonials was that they did not have the rights of Englishmen. So, they determined they needed to establish and legitimize their own rights - many of which they had developed over 150 years of self-rule (with allegience to the King of England).

Britain's loss.
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Socially, very little changed. The French Revolution was radical.

Regardless of revisionist theories of capitalist aggrandizement and racism and all that clap-trap, the issues of the American colonials was that they did not have the rights of Englishmen. So, they determined they needed to establish and legitimize their own rights - many of which they had developed over 150 years of self-rule (with allegience to the King of England).

Britain's loss.
They did not have the rights of a wealthy Englishman , bit of a difference.
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Regardless of revisionist theories of capitalist aggrandizement and racism and all that clap-trap, the issues of the American colonials was that they did not have the rights of Englishmen.
I'm not clear on what you are saying here. Care to explain the capitalist aggrandizement and racism comment?
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Can anyone answer the actual question, and debate after?
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Old August 24th, 2011, 03:19 PM   #8

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I'd read radicalism first... I believe cronologically that would make some sense...
You will get what you want no matter which you read first...
What I mean is that reading them in the opposite order that I am suggesting will not cause you confusion.
But as I said... I would read The Radicalism of the American Revolution first.
I did.

and by the way... welcome
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I'm not clear on what you are saying here. Care to explain the capitalist aggrandizement and racism comment?
The Politically Correct fad that everything the American republic did was driven by greed, and by destructive hatred of Indians.

That is what the US student has been fed for thirty years by professors, and graduate assistants who are evaluated by them. If a dissenting opinion is offered by a faculty member, he will be either hounded out of the department or denied tenure.

Very many of these academics are paid by public funds at public universities.
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Yes, the leftist made a lot of inroads into the American university system in the years following the Bolshevik revolution. Communist agents infiltrated into American society and found fertile soil in the university system. Which explains why the university system is so liberally leftist to this day.

And so. no surprise that capitalism, or anything tradition (that makes America stronger, BTW) is played down, while anything that makes America weaker (Political Correctness) is pushed and stressed. The students are brainwashed with the leftist propaganda with this garbage.

I didnt get along with my history professors too much when I was in college. They were pinko leftist, and I was old school traditional American. Instant clash.

I found this on youtube, which is concerning.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbeR77c_fTg"]Tax Payers Fund University Classes That Promote Communism Via Neo-Liberal Labor Studies. - YouTube[/ame]

I find this disturbing stuff, that our tenured faculty in our universities are teaching such radical leftist agenda. I dont think it could be any clearer, that our university systems have some severe problems.

McCarthy and John Wayne were right.

Of course, the usual leftist supporters will probably come to defend the leftist agenda. I expect that. But, I was a little surprised to find this on the youtube. But not too surprised that it was happening.

And that is why we, as parents and as citizens, need to watch what the kids are learning in the university, and make our concerns known to our representatives in Congress.

And it really helps a lot if you Congressman or woman is a republican. If you have a democrat Congressman, they aint going to do much about it, I dont think
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