Lincoln and religion: why the argument? - Page 3 - Historum

Scamp · September 6th, 2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tjadams

I'm one to take the sacred image of Lincoln and beat it with a Gutta-percha wood
cane when needed, but I"m with you on this one CI. This time Lincoln gets a pass
on those quotes.

However, Lincoln made many quotes about his opinion on blacks.

These quotes, for some reason, are not anywhere to be found on his memorial.

**tjadams** · September 6th, 2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

However, Lincoln made many quotes about his opinion on blacks.

These quotes, for some reason, are not anywhere to be found on his memorial.

That is very true. His early writings, if uttered today, would be instantly labeled
racist with no escape clause. Presidents not in office or running for office
are notorious for saying many nice sounding platitudes till they get
the big chair and then are privy to a host of information not for
public consumption. Being chief magistrate often changes a person's mind.

CIowa · September 6th, 2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

However, Lincoln made many quotes about his opinion on blacks.

These quotes, for some reason, are not anywhere to be found on his memorial.

When we provide headstones for serial killers we don't mention their body count.

A President deserves better than them.

Scamp · September 6th, 2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CIowa

When we provide headstones for serial killers we don't mention their body count.

A President deserves better than them.

Nice comparison... Lincoln to serial killers.

CIowa · September 6th, 2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

Nice comparison... Lincoln to serial killers.

You do get my point though right?

**Viperlord** · September 6th, 2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

However, Lincoln made many quotes about his opinion on blacks.

These quotes, for some reason, are not anywhere to be found on his memorial.

Same goes for many of the Founding Fathers on blacks and women as well.

Scamp · September 6th, 2011, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CIowa

You do get my point though right?

Absolutely, some people in the US need to have a hero, so they pick Lincoln and lie and hide his real quotes and ideals from the ignorant masses.

Scamp · September 6th, 2011, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Viperlord

Same goes for many of the Founding Fathers on blacks and women as well.

Don't forget slave owner Grant, your avatar, hero of the Civil War and President if the US.

**Viperlord** · September 6th, 2011, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

Don't forget slave owner Grant, your avatar, hero of the Civil War and President if the US.

Grant was given a slave by his father-in-law who he owned for weeks/months before setting free at a time when he could have used the money from selling him. Certainly far from perfect but I'll take that over your slave-whipping and trading "heroes".

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Originally Posted by Scamp

Absolutely, some people in the US need to have a hero, so they pick Lincoln and lie and hide his real quotes and ideals from the ignorant masses.

Haven't you ever considered getting some new material? I can't imagine repeating the same things for three years can be very interesting.

CIowa · September 6th, 2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scamp

Absolutely, some people in the US need to have a hero, so they pick Lincoln and lie and hide his real quotes and ideals from the ignorant masses.

I for one don't consider him a saint or devil.

He had a great burden handed to him when he was elected President and he did what he thought was right.

I can not condon everything he did nor can I condemn all his actions.