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Old November 15th, 2012, 06:39 AM   #331

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Robert E. Lee: Icon of the South and American Hero

by H. W. Crocker III – American Spectator
Lee, in the mind of some, has become a sectarian hero, when he used to be a national one.
This is better than Grant fared at the hand of the Lost Cause. The website you quote fails to finish Roosevelt's sentence.

Theodore Roosevelt thought Lee was “without any exception the very greatest of all the great captains that the English-speaking peoples have brought forth - and this though his last and chief of his antagonists may himself claim to stand the full equal of Marlborough and Wellington."

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also said "We can best pay reverence to the name and memory of General Grant by living to-day up to the principles he taught, fought and lived for. We can do our duties as citizens best by taking to our hearts the principles of citizenship for which you gave your youth and thousands of your comrades gave their lives.
I think the history of the great Captain on the civil war should be studied by all citizens, especially for two points. One was the note of unyielding resolution in the face of an armed foe, the other the note of firm and generous magnanimity once that foe was disarmed. I think we can afford to practice the lesson taught by these things to-day."

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Old November 15th, 2012, 06:45 AM   #332

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This is better than Grant fared at the hand of the Lost Cause. The website you quote fails to finish Roosevelt;'s sentence.

Theodore Roosevelt thought Lee was “without any exception the very greatest of all the great captains that the English-speaking peoples have brought forth - and this though his last and chief of his antagonists may himself claim to stand the full equal of Marlborough and Wellington."

Theodore Roosevelt
also said "We can best pay reverence to the name and memory of General Grant by living to-day up to the principles he taught, fought and lived for. We can do our duties as citizens best by taking to our hearts the principles of citizenship for which you gave your youth and thousands of your comrades gave their lives.
I think the history of the great Captain on the civil war should be studied by all citizens, especially for two points. One was the note of unyielding resolution in the face of an armed foe, the other the note of firm and generous magnanimity once that foe was disarmed. I think we can afford to practice the lesson taught by these things to-day."



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And Crocker is hardly an objective source. He's the author of the Politically Incorrect Guide to the Civil War, which would be a more accurate title if the first word was dropped. He also writes for LewRockwell, a extreme website.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 06:55 AM   #333

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...LewRockwell, a extreme website.
The Confederate equivalent of the blog that Yankee posted.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 07:08 AM   #334

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The Confederate equivalent of the blog that Yankee posted.
Not only Confederate extremism; I seem to recall some articles justifying various atrocities committed in former Yugoslavia during the 1990s.
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The Confederate equivalent of the blog that Yankee posted.
Not very familiar with that site as a whole but Clyde Wilson's work is often published on that site. I find his work very scholarly compared to others. I realize his neo-Confederate lean but his work tends to be more thouroughly researched than say Dilorenzo or the Kennedy brothers.
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You should always do your own research. And then ask questions about what you've read or learned from your research. Everyone here tries to respond based on their knowledge from their own research and reading and their ideas and thoughts based on their reading.

The internet is a terrible place to learn from; its full of bad websites with erroneous information. Some are better than others. Reading whether books or articles on the subject is best.

You'll find that most of our members also strongly recommend reading primary sources such as diaries, letters, chronicles, etc.

This is a subject that clearly interests you, so read up on it!
Its like a neo-Confederate coming on here and saying

"Lincoln slept with prostitutes all the time. Any truth to this?"

I'm not sure that it can actually be proven that he didn't but everyone with any historical knowledge, common sense, and that does any of their own research can safely say that "no he did not". Its simply trolling.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 10:18 AM   #337

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Its like a neo-Confederate coming on here and saying

"Lincoln slept with prostitutes all the time. Any truth to this?"

I'm not sure that it can actually be proven that he didn't but everyone with any historical knowledge, common sense, and that does any of their own research can safely say that "no he did not". Its simply trolling.
Got it! I'm a troll. I'm wasting your time. You should probably steer clear of this thread.
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Is the deal about setting fires that had to be put out by Union soldiers true? I can't find anything on the net. Thanks
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Its like a neo-Confederate coming on here and saying

"Lincoln slept with prostitutes all the time. Any truth to this?"

I'm not sure that it can actually be proven that he didn't but everyone with any historical knowledge, common sense, and that does any of their own research can safely say that "no he did not". Its simply trolling.
That's hilarious! Or "Grant played with his iPhone all the time"
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Old November 15th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #340

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How on earth am I in a hole? Seriously?
You are, and it's getting deeper with every post you make. You're advocating an indefensible position and defend it with every post.

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Have I made these claims? Is fact checking frowned upon here?
Fact checking is not frowned upon here. Disguising agenda as history is.

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I'm sorry I didn't see you recommend this, I'll look into it. I have no idea why you think it wouldn't be enough for me?
The fact that even those who hold the pro-northern viewpoint (such as VL and to a lesser extent myself) deplore your agenda should be telling you something. Viperlord is alluding to the fact that you are only looking for tabloid-style garbage to smear the reputation of Lee.

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No, I have not read any books on him. Yes this is info I got from the net.
And therein lies part of the problem. If you only get your information from the WWW then it is going to be faulty. The WWW is notorious for being inaccurate at best and agenda-driven at worst. At the very least, books go through an editorial vetting process to ensure that garbage isn't published (for the most part.)

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Yes, I'm asking for help. No, I'm not asking you to do reseach for me. This is a forum for discussion. Perhaps it should be shut down and replaced with a page that simply says "do your own research"?
While I wouldn't presume to speak for others, I would be happy to offer what limited help I can to point you in the right direction-offering suggestions for sources and so forth. But what I absolutely won't do is take part in historical character assassination for the sake of an agenda. So keep on with your smear campaign. Just don't ask me to be a part.
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