Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > World History Forum > American History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

American History American History Forum - United States, Canada, Mexico, Central and South America


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old November 16th, 2012, 05:32 PM   #441
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: USA
Posts: 4,014

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
I don't want to speak for Fiver but I got the impression he is speaking on two different inheritances. He inherited slaves from his mother that were indeed his then separately he was the executor of the Custis estate with those slaves. I could be wrong.
All right, so like so many of the founding fathers, let us say that Lee did inherit slaves, from his mother no less. What does that mean to you?

(I am not saying he was a FF).
Virgil is offline  
Remove Ads
Old November 16th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #442

Yankee's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 567

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
All right, so like so many of the founding fathers, let us say that Lee did inherit slaves, from his mother no less. What does that mean to you?
It means that all those people who told me Lee never owned slaves were either misinformed or saying things they knew to be untrue. And this is why I'm a bit bitter. I spent some time hating Grant and loving Lee for reasons that were false. Do I dislike Lee for having slaves? No. I think it was a mistake, I think it was sinful, but I don't dislike him on that account(although it doesn't help either lol). I happen to Love Washington and Carroll and those men owned slaves. But I will admit that these men had faults.
But as previously stated, this isn't about what things mean to me, it's about sorting fact from fiction. That is what I'd like to do with a little discussion. Sure some of the claims about Lee are outlandish, but what does it hurt to publicly discredit them? If that can't be done, I can't help but wonder- seeing as many of the things I previously "knew" about him were untrue.
Yankee is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #443
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: USA
Posts: 4,014

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
It means that all those people who told me Lee never owned slaves were either misinformed or saying things they knew to be untrue. And this is why I'm a bit bitter. I spent some time hating Grant and loving Lee for reasons that were false. Do I dislike Lee for having slaves? No. I think it was a mistake, I think it was sinful, but I don't dislike him on that account(although it doesn't help either lol). I happen to Love Washington and Carroll and those men owned slaves. But I will admit that these men had faults.
But as previously stated, this isn't about what things mean to me, it's about sorting fact from fiction. That is what I'd like to do with a little discussion. Sure some of the claims about Lee are outlandish, but what does it hurt to publicly discredit them? If that can't be done, I can't help but wonder- seeing as many of the things I previously "knew" about him were untrue.
We have all critiqued you and been wrong I think, I know I have. I thought you were intelligent but badly misinformed back when I befriended you a couple of days ago. It turns out now perhaps that you do not have it in for Lee at all, you were making a broader point. Perhaps we on Historum are not as bright and well read as we pretend?
Virgil is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #444

monsieurdl's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Dec 2011
From: United States
Posts: 1,495

Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil View Post
We have all critiqued you and been wrong I think, I know I have. I thought you were intelligent but badly misinformed back when I befriended you a couple of days ago. It turns out now perhaps that you do not have it in for Lee at all, you were making a broader point. Perhaps we on Historum are not as bright and well read as we pretend?
That's why after reading the things that were said, I felt like many were jaded after (possibly) years of expecting intentional besmirching of historical figures or posts meant to antagonize. I just didn't see the intent, and we're all human, that's for sure!
monsieurdl is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:03 PM   #445
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: USA
Posts: 4,014

Quote:
Originally Posted by monsieurdl View Post
That's why after reading the things that were said, I felt like many were jaded after (possibly) years of expecting intentional besmirching of historical figures or posts meant to antagonize. I just didn't see the intent, and we're all human, that's for sure!
What a strange world.
Virgil is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:22 PM   #446

Yankee's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 567

Quote:
Originally Posted by monsieurdl View Post
That's why after reading the things that were said, I felt like many were jaded after (possibly) years of expecting intentional besmirching of historical figures or posts meant to antagonize. I just didn't see the intent, and we're all human, that's for sure!
A fair enough assumption. I know I am jaded after hearing years of the reverse.
Yankee is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #447
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: USA
Posts: 4,014

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yankee View Post
A fair enough assumption. I know I am jaded after hearing years of the reverse.
What caused you to be jaded if I may ask?
Virgil is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:35 PM   #448

Mike Lynch's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Aug 2012
From: Colorado
Posts: 1,733

OP, Robert E. Lee absolutely believed slavery was legal.

No, he was not as good of a general as he is usually made out to be. He has been elevated to a near mythical level by believers of the 'Lost Cause' intellectual and literary movement. This came at the expense of other generals like James Longstreet. This is not to say R. E. Lee was a bad general, he was good, but not the infallible noble he is made out to be by lost causers.
Mike Lynch is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:39 PM   #449
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Jun 2012
From: USA
Posts: 4,014

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Lynch View Post
OP, Robert E. Lee absolutely believed slavery was legal.

No, he was not as good of a general as he is usually made out to be. He has been elevated to a near mythical level by believers of the 'Lost Cause' intellectual and literary movement. This came at the expense of other generals like James Longstreet. This is not to say R. E. Lee was a bad general, he was good, but not the infallible noble he is made out to be by lost causers.
That is your opinion, and you are welcome to it. How are you today Mike, I haven't conversed with you for a while?
Virgil is offline  
Old November 16th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #450

Yankee's Avatar
Scholar
 
Joined: Mar 2012
From: Baltimore, Maryland
Posts: 567

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Lynch View Post
OP, Robert E. Lee absolutely believed slavery was legal.

No, he was not as good of a general as he is usually made out to be. He has been elevated to a near mythical level by believers of the 'Lost Cause' intellectual and literary movement. This came at the expense of other generals like James Longstreet. This is not to say R. E. Lee was a bad general, he was good, but not the infallible noble he is made out to be by lost causers.
Longstreet rules the school!
Yankee is offline  
Reply

  Historum > World History Forum > American History

Tags
lee, robert



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
A Robert E. Lee WHAT IF mister Speculative History 8 May 10th, 2009 05:17 AM
Robert E. Lee kahn American History 33 March 20th, 2009 07:40 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.