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Old March 27th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #151

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hold you breath --- its now only a matter of time, bullet proof research, and nailed down DNA and artifacts -- oh -- almost forgot --- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There are no artificats or DNA linking the site to the Maya.
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We are pretty sure that there were also slave raids by Chontal Maya slave raiders between 600 AD and 800 AD that caused the complete abandonment of Swift Creek towns in Georgia’s coastal plain. Most Swift Creek towns continued to exist north of the Fall Line where the big Chontal Maya seacraft couldn’t sail. (See the attached picture.) The fact is that hundreds of pipes and clay figurines of Chontal Maya seacraft have been been found in the Creek homeland.

The Maya cities no longer needed millions of slaves after 800 AD and started to collapse. By 900 AD the Maya cities were collapsing like flies. Famine and war were rampant. Suddenly, at this time, you see large, planned towns appearing in Georgia along major rivers. The statues and figurines of Creek provinces began portraying people wearing turbans. Turbans were the “uniforms” of the Maya commoners.

There are many Maya words and some Totonac words in the Hitchiti language that Georgia Creeks spoke. Several Creek towns in the 1700s still had pure Maya names. Most Georgia and South Carolina Creeks have been found to carry a little Maya DNA. I am 3% Maya, even though I am almost 74% Scottish.

So, what we think happened was that escaped Maya slaves and fleeing Maya commoners came to the Southeast and set themselves up as the elite. This sparked the rise of a Creek civilization. However, through the centuries the Creeks were less and less like the Mayas, and more their own indigenous culture.

The Okefenokee Swamp’s archaeology is important, because we think that it was one of the places where the culture carried by Maya refugees evolved into Creek culture.
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Old December 10th, 2012, 08:21 AM   #153

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hold you breath --- its now only a matter of time, bullet proof research, and nailed down DNA and artifacts -- oh -- almost forgot --- $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
quoting myself again ---- --- they needed dollars and they found dollars and a few other things --- like denied access by the United States Forest Service --- this just got to a new level

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Many news articles in the national media asked why the U. S. Forest Service had not adequately maintained or promoted the Track Rock Archaeological Zone after the Johannes Loubser archaeological study proved that it was a major archaeological site. A former USFS employee in the Gainesville office confidentially told the Examiner that the management in the Gainesville and Atlanta offices of the federal agency had "freaked out" when news of Track Rock Gap went national because "they had obviously dropped the ball." She added that in the six months since then, the subject of Track Rock Gap had been "a constant cause of tension and consternation among several administrators." She said that these middle level managers had considered, perhaps attempted, several extreme, illegal measures to discredit articles, books and TV programs that discussed the archaeological site. She added, "What seems to you Native Americans as a straightforward historic preservation issue has become the U.S. Forest Service's Watergate. I really can't tell you more."
why all the excitement and infighting -- really why would they do this if there was "nothing" there --- questions questions questions -- my my, and don't give me any of that crap about "volcanoes are dangerous in Georgia" ---

FYI -- speaking of dollars --- coming soon to your local history2 channel - stay tuned and they are now using ground penetrating radar -- on a U.S.F.S. site that has been closed to the "public" --


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WoW just wow quite interesting.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #155

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Hi Davu, you might be interested in this:

What does all of this mean and why is the archaeological community enthusiastic about it? Hofriether, a biologist in DNA laboratory of the University of York in the United Kingdom says, "The results of this study are exciting, because they show that the hypothesis that the Clovis people were the first Native Americans, which has been the prevailing idea for the last decades, is wrong. Now researchers need to come up with a new model for the settling of the Americas."

So how did these early humans get here? Some new hypotheses are emerging indicating that the first to come to the Americas may have come by sea. As a History enthusiast, I am in ecstatic that I have been able to see history change in my lifetime.

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just can't put anything to bed can they ---

they mentioned the magic words that sent me screaming to the hall closet where i store my favorite drink ------ organic chemistry --


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possible language evidence of gulf maritime trade between mesoamerica* and eastern north america
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notice how the languages STOP at the 19th century A.D. borders of the USA -- this smells of a rat right there ---

FAMSI - Linguistic Maps of Mesoamerica

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This Linguistic Map is based on the previous linguistic maps of Mendizábal and Jiménez (1936, 1941), Frederick Johnson (1940), and McQuown (1955) and has been modified from The Handbook of Middle American Indians.
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well, the hype is over and look what they found. i think they just got a fantastic start. even to the point of northern universities are starting to get interested

the first posting of this was on Dec 22, 2011. this has been almost to the day -- 1 year from speculation and research to a fully funded science show with sponsors on national TV. not bad ---

looks like i will still be living and reading the first research to come out before this old guy goes to the happy mountain climbing school in the clouds ---

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Respected universities from the northeast and Midwest have expressed interest in sending archaeological teams with experience on Maya terrace sites, to study them. As we say in the South, some folks down in these parts have cooked their own gooses
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Early on a Sunday morning in October Scott called me again to say that he had the results of the tests on Mexican Maya Blue samples. His words were intentionally done in an apologetic tone. Then he told me that there was a 100% match between Georgia attapulgite and Maya Blue samples from Palenque, the capital of the Itza Maya. I fell out of chair, after dropping my cereal bowl.

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During the early months of 2012, Examiner readers repeatedly emailed me extremely valuable information, which caused me to rewrite Itsapa, the Itza Mayas in North America, before it was ever published. Thanks to the field work of Examiner readers, we now know of a half dozen large terrace sites in Georgia, Alabama and Virginia, which will be surveyed in the coming year.
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i think is the instramentation that was used on the show --- its just really hard to argue with a "FEI Tecnai Spirit BioTWIN transmission electron microscope".
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WoW hopefully they can find more I wonder...
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