macl2

As I read more and more everyday, I feel that the "true" history of the United States and many other nations are distorted. We all know that the "victor" chooses how the history is written, and we all know it's usually in their favor. I’m starting to think that the Europeans were manipulated by warmongers, claiming that conquering the world was in “God’s plan” for whites, which made each "white" repugnantly conceited, disparaging each other, in other nations, forming nationalism. The slaughter of people of different color, conquering new land, and yielding resources was a coping mechanism for the leaders of the nations and a way to "one-up" others. I also feel it's motive was to unite Europe under one rule, the church, which was constantly pumping propaganda into the ears of Europeans, making them fear that their spot in heaven will be taken away if they don't join "the cause". Natives were animals in the eyes of "whites" in that day in time. I feel that the "majority" of indigenous people dying from disease is a fabricated story. I see this as a form of casuistry, to evade future apprehension. I'm disgusted with how "natural" the thought is, that this, be truth and how apparent the motive was, to deceive. Here are just a few examples of how the current government of each age justifies the slaughter of innocent people: The allies during World War II, Russia being an ally, and how Russia would've never won the war with Germany, without us. Germany's concentration camps in comparison to U.S. nuclear bomb droppings on Japan, exterminating hundreds of thousands of lives , "We had to drop em'!" and giving the atomic bombs malevolent names like "Fat man" and "Little boy" knowing they would kill countless with just the radiation and affecting generations to come with mutation and how the "Manifest Destiny" supposedly justified the War with Mexico in the 19th century. With knowing just this information and understanding how the human mind works in these situations, In my mind, this is very likely the truth and continues to have more than enough evidence for possibility. What do you think?

Rongo

I think you need to provide some evidence to support your opinion, otherwise this is just flame bait.

Irene

I agree with you Mac. "Mans inhumanity to man"

Eroica

Unfortunately the term "genocide" is reserved only for the attempted or actual extermination of certain peoples. Native Americans on the other hand have no political or cultural power, so few care about their plight.

macl2

They didn't see themselves as "Native Americans" that's the way we identify them today, they were living in different nations at the time and some nations united to try and expel the hostile force, the invaders. They have no political or cultural power? In correlation to who? Europeans. My point exactly. Communication is an essential component to having "power". Which neither side had, and the Europeans were the antagonist/aggressors, because it's obvious with the current state Europe was in at the time, "Nationalism" was in effect long before Napolean. Genocide isn't reserved, it's genocide. It's the attempted and deliberate extermination, of a nation and ethnic group. Genocide in my eyes, first of all, is never justified, and trying to justify it by carrying a flag in one hand and weapon in the other is just down-right cruelly rapacious toward humanity.

Rongo

No, the term "genocide" is reserved for proven instances of deliberate and systematic mass extermination. Throwing around the word "genocide" on idle speculation to satisfy a political agenda is nothing but propaganda and is an insult to the true victims of genocide in this world.

macl2

History itself is 'flame bait'. It's always in the bias hands, who distribute it as "truth". I did support my opinion with historical evidence. Its the individuals choice, to read history and see it as "truth". History isn't dogma, people also have to be 'pragmatical', humans write history. It's my avocation to integrate 'realistic' human qualities in it, and revise it into what seems to be more realistic to me, to dissociate all the special self-centered, pride-boosting ego to making it more prolific and less detrimental to myself and others and understanding the 'horrible' qualities that commenced the entropy of humanity.

Rongo

Well there you have it then. License to write your own history. Have fun.

macl2

Irene, you understand the "true" purpose of history: Trial and error, macro and micro, stimulus and response, improvement, ect.

macl2

Thanks Rongo, too bad the public tends to view practicality, moral relativism, and reality as conspiracy theory, and idealism, theoretical, and orthodox idea as truth, when it comes to "history" because it's almost never verbatim to an event.