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Old June 18th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #1

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What was the chance of Mexico winning the Mexican-American war?


Sorry, my school's textbooks never really talked much about the Mexican-American war, and I've always been very interested in wars in North America, but never remembered to search for them :P, so what was the chance of Mexico actually winning the Mexican-American war? Because from the map I saw in class on victories on battles, pretty much almost all of them America won. :O
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The Mexicans had a very very small chance of winning. American, generals, quality, manpower, and seapower were all on the american side.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #3

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They had all the chances in the world to do it from what I understand. They dropped the ball in a big way though. A lot of the soldiers had better things to do than hang around in the army. I'm not an authority on the subject but the Mexican army was not set up for long periods fighting a war.

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They had all the chances in the world to do it from what I understand. They dropped the ball in a big way though. A lot of the soldiers had better things to do than hang around in the army. I'm not an authority on the subject but the Mexican army was not set up for long periods fighting a war.

I'll let some of the more knowledgeable people educate me a little more and keep my mouf closed.
I don't know? Santa Anna, whatever his qualities were as a Statesman or General, was not capable of handling the American military (It's superior artillery and tactics of maneuver), or in running a disorganized government as dictator. Speaking of which, Mexican politics and their government was still in disarray from the Texan Revolution.

Though without question, in general the Mexican soldiers were mostly poor but fiercely brave while putting up some good fights where the outcome wasn't certain and they had a few highly qualified generals; I think the latter were few and far between in offsetting the dominant personality of Santa Anna's brutal approach and limited abilities in countering American forces. If Mexico had a chance, then it was a very slim one from the very beginning.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #5

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I heard that the Mexican Army always had a very hard time keeping soldiers on duty because the soldiers would have to leave and go back to their farms and families. This played havoc with their whole system, a sustained effort for a campaign let alone a war would have been almost impossible.

True? If so it would certainly explain the reason such a large army could barely put up a fight against American/Texas militias.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:28 PM   #6

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This documentary is pretty good.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nE3srC_3c4]The Mexican-American War - YouTube[/ame]
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:38 PM   #7

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+Initially, it had a slim chance, since it was fighting on her home turf, had
the opportunity to dig in, prepare and bleed the Americans.
+But whatever advantage Mexico had, was lost by the all-star team of Americans
that later gained fame in the American Civil War.
+The Mexican Army was greatly made up of conscripts, forced draftees and
poorly funded. The officer corp was not well trained and most commissions
could and were, bought instead of career soldiers leading or holding key sectors.
+The Mexican Army was not complete without qualified commanders or dedicated
men fighting to protect their homes from foreign invaders bent on taking
Mexican land. Through a series of blunders, over confidence, poor coordination
and a divided Mexican political body, the US was able to deliver some key
blows that forced Mexico to realize that the US was going to get what they
came for: Mexican land.
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I heard that the Mexican Army always had a very hard time keeping soldiers on duty because the soldiers would have to leave and go back to their farms and families. This played havoc with their whole system, a sustained effort for a campaign let alone a war would have been almost impossible.

True? If so it would certainly explain the reason such a large army could barely put up a fight against American/Texas militias.
I don't know. I can't really discount it without further verifying it with research. Input form others would be helpful here. However, given the figures i've read over the years for either sides OOB, the Americans were always inferior in numbers. That's why i mentioned artillery and the best use of strategic and tactical maneuvers.

Sometimes out numbered multiple times over. The number of troops available, they would be lucky if the odds were 2-3:1, to the Mexicans favor.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #9

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The Mexicans would have had a much better chance if it weren't for Winfield Scott:

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With Zachary Taylor's troops stuck in northern Mexico, General Winfield Scott proposed a bold plan, an amphibious attack on the coastal Mexican town of Vera Cruz. Scott used his extensive experience with similar operations on the Canadian frontier during the War of 1812 in planning the attack. The attack was the largest amphibious landing of any nation up to that date...
You can read the whole article here:
General Winfield Scott and the Mexican-American War (1846-1848)
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From memory, I don't recall the Mexican Army always having superior
numbers over the Americans; often, yes, but at times, the numbers were
roughly equal. As written above, the one key advantage and real deal breaker
that I do recall the Americans had, was her artillery and crews. They were
deadly accurate and were lethal enough to sway the difference.
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