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Old November 7th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #151

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Relative to the U.S.'s population, however, that increase was dwarfed by the increases in the rest of the population. As a percentage of the nation, slaves were in dramatic and irreversible decline.
Nice attempt to move the goalposts. The US Census contradicts you again. The percentage of the US population that was free increased by about 1% per decade from 1790 to 1860. That rate put slavery on track to end around 1980.

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Certainly, in some well selected parts of the South (e.g. not South Carolina, not Virginia and as you have pointed out not Delaware or Maryland) the slave population was growing faster than the white population but if you take a wider view there is no escaping that plantation owners, and the whole institution of slavery itself, was disappearing.
A wider look? Lets compare Census data on the 11 states that would form the Confederacy. In 1850, 38.6% of the population of those states were slaves. In 1860, 38.7% of the population of those states were slaves.

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If it wasn't, we have to ask ourselves why Lincoln allowed slavery to continue outside of the Confederacy. The answer, part of it seems, is that he knew damn well that slavery was dead in the border states.
I suspect the 75,000 slave owners and 429,000 slaves in those 4 states would disagree with you about slavery being dead there.

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How did that Slavery Abolition Act of 1833 come about?
It sure wasn't from peaceful protests by the slaves.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 02:23 AM   #152

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I suspect the 75,000 slave owners and 429,000 slaves in those 4 states would disagree with you about slavery being dead there.
Certainly Tennessee Governor Isham Harris disagreed - vehemently (and ungramatically):

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The attempt of the Northern people, through the instrumentality of the Federal Govermuent--their State governments, and emigrant aid societies--to confine this species of property within the limits of the present Southern States--to impair its value by constant agitation and refusal to deliver up the fugitive--to appropriate the whole of the Territories, which are the common property all the people of all the States, to the Southern man who is unwilling to live under a government which, may by law recognize the free negroe as his equal; "and in fine, to put the question where the Northern mind will rest in the belief of its ultimate extinction" is justly regarded by the people of the Southern States as a gross and palpable violation of the spirit and obvious meaning of the compact of Union--an impertinent intermeddling with their domestic affairs, destructive of fraternal feeling, ordinary comity, and well defined rights." - Isham Harris, January 7, 1861

Source: Speech of Tennessee Governor Isham G. Harris for Secession
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Old November 8th, 2012, 03:48 AM   #153

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Certainly Tennessee Governor Isham Harris disagreed - vehemently (and ungramatically):
Rongo, being so knowledgeable about various things, I have a question.

Do you know what the Southern vote was for the Northwest Ordinance
which excluded slavery?
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Old November 8th, 2012, 04:15 AM   #154

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Rongo, being so knowledgeable about various things, I have a question.

Do you know what the Southern vote was for the Northwest Ordinance
which excluded slavery?
Thanks, Hopeforus. I believe the vote was unanimous, but I'm not 100% sure of that. TJ might be able to shed more light on it.
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Thanks, Hopeforus. I believe the vote was unanimous, but I'm not 100% sure of that. TJ might be able to shed more light on it.
OK. Thanks for response.
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It appears the vote was unanimous.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 06:20 AM   #157

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Thanks, Hopeforus. I believe the vote was unanimous, but I'm not 100% sure of that. TJ might be able to shed more light on it.
I'm trying my best to stay out of this thread.
Thanks anyway guys.
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Because it still benefitted them economically, the abolitionist movement was growing throughout the world but as long as vested interests opposed it they were never going to get anywhere. When the economics shifted and it was no longer profitable for Britain etc then there was nothing to stand in their way. US slavery survived because it still made economic sense
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