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Old November 7th, 2012, 02:41 PM   #31
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The US started the War of 1812. Britain had a large empire. Canada was extended westward and did not become part of the US. Easier for Britain to compromise with the US than get into another war. Neither side wanted another war over the Canadian border.

I assume Alaska and Hawaii was a joke. Alaska was obtained from Russia. Hawaii was an independent kingdom. Britain, France, and the US all had influence in Hawaii, but it was annexed by the US.
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Old November 7th, 2012, 02:43 PM   #32
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In 1812 the USA was convinced that taking Canada would be a 'cake walk' with their armies welcomed with open arms to be liberated from 'British oppression'

They weren't
Yes but it's Canadians and not those in the US who make the claim that Canadians might have chosen to join the US.
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In 1812 the USA was convinced that taking Canada would be a 'cake walk' with their armies welcomed with open arms to be liberated from 'British oppression'

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Aww, can't blame us for trying! Canada is a cool country. I used to go there before we had to have a passport to do so.
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Aww, can't blame us for trying! Canada is a cool country. I used to go there before we had to have a passport to do so.

Interestingly the USA thought it would be a 'walk over' on land and the British a 'walk over' on sea------ they were both wrong.
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Aww, can't blame us for trying! Canada is a cool country. I used to go there before we had to have a passport to do so.
Well.....why not just get a passport? You need one to get home from anywhere else now.
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Interestingly the USA thought it would be a 'walk over' on land and the British a 'walk over' on sea------ they were both wrong.
Well, us Americans and the Brits have been wrong more than once in history, and I suppose we will be wrong somewhere in the future to. I still like Canada, there is some great hunting grounds there and some equally nice camping as well. When I was younger, my dad and I made a few hunting trips up there.
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Well.....why not just get a passport? You need one to get home from anywhere else now.
I know, but it was just kinda nice to be able to go to a different country (went to Mexico twice too) without all the bull crap.
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Many reasons have been explored in this thread. Perhaps Canada (especially the western regions) was too big to defend. Perhaps it was too underpopulated and too underdeveloped, and it was too far from Britain's more important vital interests.

Any comments?
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Many reasons have been explored in this thread. Perhaps Canada (especially the western regions) was too big to defend. Perhaps it was too underpopulated and too underdeveloped, and it was too far from Britain's more important vital interests.

Any comments?
We really need some Canadians to chime in here, but I remember Alberta being pretty sparse.
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Think the British Empire had easier pickings invading Zululand and so on. They were willing to accept negotiated compromises on the Canadian border. Probably, not much value to them in additional territory in what is now the US upper midwest and northwest. Not that much of economic significance. They may have also seen the US as British people and sort of didn't mind if the US became a big power also.

The British could have continued the War of 1812 after the defeat of Napolean and the burning of Washington and tried to force a better settlement of the Canadian border and other issues than they got. They definitely could have tried harder to win the war more decisively.

Possible to have fought over the Oregon border when that was settled. The US invaded Mexico about that time. At that point, Britain was much stronger, but the US was a significant power and they would have to transport large numbers of soldiers across the ocean. Probably, they had enough fighting over the Canadian border in 1812-14 and thought they might wind up with a similar negotiated settlement after another pointless war.

They could have allied with the Confederacy and invaded through Canada, and tried to force territorial concessions. If they were interested in breaking up the US to prevent another potential large power, as well as taking territory, they could have done so. Might have been hard politically to be seen as supporting slavery. The north would probably have fought hard in this scenario, and there was also a danger of the north also getting allies and the war expanding.
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