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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #171

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Stop crying you, tattle tale I can't believe you are going to snitch to the mods over such small comments.
Especially when I was responding to something that he was very clearly insinuating. Unless of course he brought up the Erie tribe for absolutely no reason at all.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:47 AM   #172

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I would hate to have to close a valid thread or move it to the Chamber because people can't keep their tempers. Or worse.

No more calling ppl liars or other insults.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #173

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Stop crying you, tattle tale I can't believe you are going to snitch to the mods over such small comments.
It is his absolute right and responsibility to "snitch" to the mods over such comments if he feels they are out of line. If you don't like it, you know where the door is.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:19 AM   #174

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My point was against the generalizations that Rongo was making, namely that all the Europeans wanted was to settle down and farm for themselves to live. Cartier and Champlain and the French in America in general were rather nice as far as colonists go, and the Jesuits were rather nice as far as anybody at all goes, but the activities of the initial explorers, who were predominately Spanish, Portuguese, and English, blatantly disproves the idea that the settling of the New World was for purely innocent reasons.
The Jesuits weren't all 'nice' of course, for sure, but I see what you were doing with your statement. The role of religion within colonial America/New France dramatically changed history, for good and for bad. Sometimes the Jesuits could be stokers of the fires of war...
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Old November 14th, 2012, 10:33 AM   #175

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The Jesuits weren't all 'nice' of course, for sure, but I see what you were doing with your statement. The role of religion within colonial America/New France dramatically changed history, for good and for bad. Sometimes the Jesuits could be stokers of the fires of war...
Well, nicer than the guys who burnt "heretics" at the stake and force people to assimilate totally including wiping out native languages. I've heard the Jesuits are at least partially responsible for Guarani being the primary or co-primary language of Paraguay to this day. Should count for something. Then again, even those pyromaniacal zealots in "New Spain" were looked down upon by their fellow priests, and even the zealots were better than the actual conquistadors.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:30 AM   #176

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Well, nicer than the guys who burnt "heretics" at the stake and force people to assimilate totally including wiping out native languages. I've heard the Jesuits are at least partially responsible for Guarani being the primary or co-primary language of Paraguay to this day. Should count for something. Then again, even those pyromaniacal zealots in "New Spain" were looked down upon by their fellow priests, and even the zealots were better than the actual conquistadors.
Yea the Jesuits are much better than the conquistadors in some cases the jesuits bought weapons to give to the natives defend themselves
and the Guarani in paraguay, and the Jesuits tried the Tupi in Brazil the called Ligua Geral (general Language,because the was spoken throughout the colony)
it is estimated that almost 75% of brazil colonial population spoke Tupi (even the portuguese officers) then Marques De Pombal decided that the colony could not speak the language of the "savages" and ordered that if someone spoke in Tupi his tongue should be cut away (part of the civilization process)
after that the Portuguese became the lingua franca in Brazil (but the diference persist the Brazilian Portuguese is diferent from the Portuguese from Portugal,because basically, Brazilians speak Portuguese with a "Tupi accent" and with a great number of Tupi words)

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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #177

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the native Americans stole, murdered, and raped just like the whites...how come I only hear about how the whites were evil??
I'm under the impression NA were portrayed as evil not so long ago. Men are equally evil and equally good.
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I'm under the impression NA were portrayed as evil not so long ago. Men are equally evil and equally good.
I agree wholeheartedly with you we are talking about Humans the color or the place we born dont matter (europe, africa, america,asia etc)
we are humans and like you said we are equally evil or good.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #179

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I agree wholeheartedly with you we are talking about Humans the color or the place we born dont matter (europe, africa, america,asia etc)
we are humans and like you said we are equally evil or good.
Absolutely.
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but the activities of the initial explorers, who were predominately Spanish, Portuguese, and English, blatantly disproves the idea that the settling of the New World was for purely innocent reasons.
Yes, the Bandeirantes who were Portuguese led explorers in Brazil during the first half of their existence were slave hunters. Though they were also of Native American ancestry. This was a stain in the contact with Native Americans.
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