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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:31 PM   #41

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Perhaps morally reprehensible atrocities would be more accurate.

Wounded Knee Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The vast majority killed were women and children.
Yes, I think that's an accurate description.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:33 PM   #42

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The Beothuk were eventually totally wiped out by colonists. I already mentioned depopulation campaigns meant to kill just about everyone possible in certain provinces of the Yucatan. Efforts were made against other tribes but weren't as thorough. The Trail of Tears might technically count as ethnic cleansing, but that's not much better if at all and that happened to almost every tribe in the USA.
The gradual extinction of the Beothuk doesn't make genocide. Wiki has a page on them and mentions the existence of your accusation. Perhaps someone will add the link for me. I don't work very well with my IPad.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #43

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Woa, fast moving thread
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:35 PM   #44

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Here is a list of massacres committed by both sides.

Indian_massacre Indian_massacre
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #45

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South and Central America definitely had a very different set of circumstances from the present-day US and Canada. That's one of the problems I see with this thread. It was started with no fact, focus or direction - just emotion. I pretty much see it degrading into a pointless brawl.
I think you are right, the thread dont had much direction
and I did not help too, sometimes the heart speaks louder than the brain

but I had a plan lets make a great party
and forget about that
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #46

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The gradual extinction of the Beothuk doesn't make genocide. Wiki has a page on them and mentions the existence of your accusation. Perhaps someone will add the link for me. I don't work very well with my IPad.
Here's your link to the Beothuk:

Beothuk_people Beothuk_people


And if what happened to the Beothuk was genocide, then what the Iroquois did to the Erie Nation was certainly genocide.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:42 PM   #47

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I think you are right, the thread dont had much direction
and I did not help too, sometimes the heart speaks louder than the brain
Well you certainly have as much right to post to this thread as anyone else.

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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #48

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Woa, fast moving thread
I've always said make a thread controversial, where anyone
can toss in their two bits, and it will sprout wings & breath fire.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 12:52 PM   #49

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Whenever a native people rises up in revolt against a colonial force or organizes to fight against it, it is always demonized. Look at how the Zulus were demonized, or the Lakota, et al. after Little Bighorn, or hell even the mutinying Indian sepoys in 1857. The purpose of this demonization is to create an "undesirable other" and to justify the continued loot, genocide, and oppression of this "undesirable other" in the name of civilization, etc.

On the other hand, if the subjected people do nothing, then what will they gain? They will gain nothing except maybe some sympathy 100 years after they have been extinguished, and some petty glorification in "white guilt" movies like Avatar, Pocahontas, etc.

In essence, it is better to be demonized and free, than sympathized but subjected.
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Whenever a native people rises up in revolt against a colonial force or organizes to fight against it, it is always demonized. Look at how the Zulus were demonized, or the Lakota, et al. after Little Bighorn, or hell even the mutinying Indian sepoys in 1857. The purpose of this demonization is to create an "undesirable other" and to justify the continued loot, genocide, and oppression of this "undesirable other" in the name of civilization, etc.

On the other hand, if the subjected people do nothing, then what will they gain? They will gain nothing except maybe some sympathy 100 years after they have been extinguished, and some petty glorification in "white guilt" movies like Avatar, Pocahontas, etc.

In essence, it is better to be demonized and free, than sympathized but subjected.
Rather confusing. Hooray for the Zulus and Lakotas. not so much for the
seapoys.kil the avatars(just a cut feeling) The last sentence I acree though.
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