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Old November 9th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #51

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@ OP,
how about providing supportive evidence to posts.. or maybe expanding your own knowledge so as to just not come off as racist and a white supremacist. the native americans were here before we came and were perfectly fine without us. they didn't invade europe and exterminate over 85% of our populations in france, england, germany and spain. they didn't steal our land. they didn't enslave us.
you can talk about rape, murder and all that stuff in any culture. there is never a time where it didnt happen. but the bottomline is Europeans annihilation entire cultures. to say what the Native Americans did in return is neither significant nor comparable to the level of European decimation.
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@ OP,
how about providing supportive evidence to posts.. or maybe expanding your own knowledge so as to just not come off as racist and a white supremacist. the native americans were here before we came and were perfectly fine without us. they didn't invade europe and exterminate over 85% of our populations in france, england, germany and spain. they didn't steal our land. they didn't enslave us.
you can talk about rape, murder and all that stuff in any culture. there is never a time where it didnt happen. but the bottomline is Europeans annihilation entire cultures. to say what the Native Americans did in return is neither significant nor comparable to the level of European decimation.
Maybe you could provide us with evidence that he is a racist and white supremacist.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 02:12 PM   #53
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May be I should do so.About the white supermacist? I do not know, mabe my "joke" was
a racist one, so I must again say:hooray for the Zuluz and Dakotas.
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I believe the image of native Americans has changed greatly over time in terms of popular culture. In the movies they used to be unfairly portrayed as drunk, foolish, cruel and unworthy of the land. That image has changed, I think of Dances with Wolves, and one of my all time favorites, Last of the Dogmen.

As far as history goes, I do think it is very important to keep things in perspective. I do not think that it is fair to demonize white culture either. We should acknowledge the bad deeds of the past, but we should not dwell on them either. We cannot forget that there is much more to a culture than its battles and massacres.
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I believe the image of native Americans has changed greatly over time in terms of popular culture. In the movies they used to be unfairly portrayed as drunk, foolish, cruel and unworthy of the land. That image has changed, I think of Dances with Wolves, and one of my all time favorites, Last of the Dogmen.

As far as history goes, I do think it is very important to keep things in perspective. I do not think that it is fair to demonize white culture either. We should acknowledge the bad deeds of the past, but we should not dwell on them either. We cannot forget that there is much more to a culture than its battles and massacres.
Good one and true.
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I believe the image of native Americans has changed greatly over time in terms of popular culture. In the movies they used to be unfairly portrayed as drunk, foolish, cruel and unworthy of the land. That image has changed, I think of Dances with Wolves, and one of my all time favorites, Last of the Dogmen.

As far as history goes, I do think it is very important to keep things in perspective. I do not think that it is fair to demonize white culture either. We should acknowledge the bad deeds of the past, but we should not dwell on them either. We cannot forget that there is much more to a culture than its battles and massacres.
Absolutely. Well said.
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Sorry. A bit drunk.
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Sorry. A bit drunk.
No problem Lalli. I just got home from work, and I am working on getting drunk myself. Cheers.
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What I will say, is that there seems among certain people (I haven't seen it expressed here on Historum, but on other places it's quite common. Especially on forums where the focus is not on history, but there is a section to discuss it and so the people who venture in there tend to only be surface dabblers of history instead of delving deeper), it a kind of superiority implemented on the natives. As though they're somehow better than the white settlers, because of all the things they did and know and understand. With things popping up like respecting nature (that's not to say they didn't, but evidence suggests it was not as respected as one might think. The act of driving entire herds of buffalo off of cliffs and then picking through to get the choicest cuts of meat and leaving the rest, is definitely not what I would call respectful to nature. But then I don't exactly care about that matter anyways. The killing of buffalo was done for survival, and given how tough SOBs those buffalo are, it's only fitting to use a method that basically ensures you get enough food that you can actually choose what you want to take and discard).

So that whole notion seems to cloud the judgement of people concerning Native American history. At least for the average person. And it can be frustrating to deal with because it is so prevalent among the average people who only dabble on the surface of history, and take what they're told.

The other group of people that I have noticed (again on other places) who try to demonize the white colonists and making things appear as though they were absolute evil, tend to also be people who complain about the holocaust in World War 2. Stressing that we learn too much about it (because really, how can you learn/hear too much about a thing?), and that we should learn about other genocides in history (while failing to realize what the word genocide means). Basically these people are agenda pushers, and in some cases even outright deny the holocaust, and say that the "holocaust lie" is being spread to suppress the "truth" of these other genocides.

Crazy people if you ask me.
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No problem Lalli. I just got home from work, and I am working on getting drunk myself. Cheers.
Cheers to you too.
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