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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:27 PM   #71

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In retaliation of scalping committed against them? Maybe. But woman and children? I doubt it. Maybe you can prove me wrong, though...
In some instances, whites did more then scalp Native American men, women AND children. The attack on Black Kettle's Camp is more then enough proof of that as the white attackers not only murdered many of the indians there, but mutilated their corpses in very horrific ways. These actions taken by white men would be the inspiration for what the Lakota and Northern Chyenne would do to Fettermen's men during Red Cloud's war.

In addition whites also scalped each other. I think there's even one report of a Confederate cavalryman in the Western Theater who rode with Union scalps tied to his bridle.
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In some instances, whites did more then scalp Native American men, women AND children. The attack on Black Kettle's Camp is more then enough proof of that as the white attackers not only murdered many of the indians there, but mutilated their corpses in very horrific ways. These actions taken by white men would be the inspiration for what the Lakota and Northern Chyenne would do to Fettermen's men during Red Cloud's war.
So has virtually every cultural group that ever existed, including the Native Americans, BEFORE the white man ever arrived.

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The victims of the Crow Creek Massacre - men, women and children - probably were farmers and buffalo hunters, archaelogists said. Dr. Larry Zimmerman said radiocarbon tests show their village was destroyed sometime between 1325 and 1400.

Most of the skeletons unearthed at the site were of persons killed by blows to the head and scalped. Parts of some of the bodies were missing - apparently taken as trophies by the attackers.
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He said the Crow Creek massacre may have been the result of tribal rivalries over hunting grounds and agricultural bottom land.

"An attack like this would have required a larger force than you normally find in a nomadic hunting group or even a roaming war party to kill this many people," Zimmerman said.

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Old November 9th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #73

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In addition whites also scalped each other. I think there's even one report of a Confederate cavalryman in the Western Theater who rode with Union scalps tied to his bridle.
Sounds like a raider (Emphasis on raider, rather than a Confederate soldier) who rode with either W.C. Quantrill or Bill Anderson guerrilla groups.
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Old November 9th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #74

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So has virtually every cultural group that ever existed, including the Native Americans, BEFORE the white man ever arrived.

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I wasn't making any comment on who was first or how one side got it originally. I was responding to, as I interpreted the post of, "whites only scaled in retaliation for attacks Indians made on them, and they never hurt women or children."
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Sounds like a raider (Emphasis on raider, rather than a Confederate soldier) who rode with either W.C. Quantrill or Bill Anderson guerrilla groups.
The two names sound familiar... but I'd need to check my sources to see which one it was.
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I wasn't making any comment on who was first or how one side got it originally. I was responding to, as I interpreted the post of, "whites only scaled in retaliation for attacks Indians made on them, and they never hurt women or children."
Not hurt. Scalped. But It was a question which Panthera answered.

EDIT: My bad. A spelling mistake on your part made me read it differently.
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But I remember reading somewhere in the past that the French actually brought the idea of scalping to the Americas. Anybody else read this?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 03:29 AM   #78

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But I remember reading somewhere in the past that the French actually brought the idea of scalping to the Americas. Anybody else read this?
I've heard it. It's part of the revisionist nonsense that all was bliss, peace, love and Utopian harmony on this continent until the evil, filthy white men came to muck it all up.
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But I remember reading somewhere in the past that the French actually brought the idea of scalping to the Americas. Anybody else read this?
Irene the scalping is practised by a great number of peoples Herodotus wrote about the scythians and that they scalped his enemies.
"The Scythian soldier scrapes the scalp clean of flesh and softening it by rubbing between their hands, uses it thenceforth as a napkin. The Scyth is proud of these scalps and hangs them from his bridle rein; the greater the number of such napkins that a man can show, the more highly is he esteemed among them. Many make themselves cloaks by sewing a quantity of these scalps together."

A great number of people in europe had this "habit".
but i think that scalping is a thing that the native american (not all) tribes of North america practiced before the european's came to america

a example the Crow Creek massacre, that had sign of the scalping
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in brazil as a example the tribes of amazon practiced the Headhunting
in other regions my tribe as a example the trophys was the hand that the person used to fight

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Because we basically commited genocide in the name of manifest destiny. That tends to leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
I didn't know that!!!
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