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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:53 AM   #11

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IMHO for any nation to have more internal administrative units than strictly required (i.e. additional tax-paid bureaucracy) would only be gratuitously burdensome.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #13

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Not on 6 Nov. is wasn't. All three states went blue.

EDIT: They were all blue in 2008 as well.
You're correct-my color blind mistake.
In my head I knew what I was saying, but
I mixed the colors. The West coast has been
'blue' for the last 20 years.
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:31 AM   #14
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Perhaps TJ meant red as in "Left Coast, tree hugging, white wine sipping PINKOS!"
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:32 AM   #15
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IMHO for any nation to have more internal administrative units than strictly required (i.e. additional tax-paid bureaucracy) would only be gratuitously burdensome.
LOL! ^^ A description of the United States.

Is the Mexican state system similar?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #16

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If it weren't for pearl Harbor, they would have become a state. They were supposed to go before Congress on December 9th 1941, but the Japanese struck on the 7th.

Maybe it could be brought in as a blue state to balance red Puerto Rico?
You mean to balance Washington DC.

PR. would generally be Democratic but you are kidding yourself if you think it will become a State.
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 06:37 AM   #17

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dividing the state of CA into various new states has been discussed since even before California was accepted as a state (there was a proposal for a S. CA slave state and a N. CA free state but Californians didn't support it). The 6 state proposal may actually make it to the ballots in 2014. It hasn't a hope, which is unfortunate. While having "no more more internal administrative units than strictly required" is a valid point, it's also true that having representation that matches the voters -http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...tage.html?_r=0

For example, CA has 2 senators. So does Delaware. Which state has a senator who cares more about what an individual voter may think?

Also there is a major difference between the coastal area (where Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego are ) versus inland and worse, anything on the eastern side of the Sierra Nevadas. The inland and East side is not heavily populated and is consistently outvoted on major issues. -- and that includes the red state/ blue state issues (have a look at Kern County voting records. Consistently "red" Kern County, California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We won't go into the major issue of Los Angeles stealing the Central Valley's water.
Los_Angeles_Aqueduct Los_Angeles_Aqueduct
but in my lifetime people in the Owens valley were still blowing up the aqueduct on occasion.
Owens_Lake Owens_Lake
Draining the lake dry caused things like this to happen (those aren't clouds. it's dust):
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Old August 3rd, 2014, 08:05 AM   #18

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Just to note that there were at least two other proposals for a state named Jefferson.

Jefferson (proposed Mountain state)

Jefferson (proposed Southern state)

Though I admire their spirit, it seems clear that the people who support the northern California/southern Oregon state of Jefferson are engaged in a completely quixotic endeavor.

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Old August 3rd, 2014, 11:34 AM   #19

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I love this kind of history glad you posted this!
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Just to note that there were at least two other proposals for a state named Jefferson.

Jefferson (proposed Mountain state)

Jefferson (proposed Southern state)
I worked with boilermakers from Alabama, boomers from the Muscle Shoals and Chattanooga locals who came up to work out of the Chicago hall, who said they were from the Free State of Winston.
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