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Old November 16th, 2012, 07:11 AM   #31

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Very well... John Adams and Benjamin Franklin shared a bed several times in travels together, but the most open part of that relationship was the window in their room.
Especially when they stayed in Beantown.
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Didn't Bismarck also have a high-pitched voice? Lincoln was in good company, leadership-wise, if that was the case.
There is a sound recording of him made by Edison. You can listen to it here. It doesn't sound particularly high-pitched.
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Especially when they stayed in Beantown.
... Actually it was a source of serious contention between the two, as to the health benefits of sleeping with an open or closed window. They compromised by alternating between the two. Adams did eat a lot of beans, though.
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There is a sound recording of him made by Edison. You can listen to it here. It doesn't sound particularly high-pitched.
Yes I agree and I've also heard it before but it's not a deep authoritative sounding voice...and I'd heard or read that he had a high-pitched voice. Must look for hard historical evidence or Sylla will be on my back!
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Pretty strong indications Lincoln had homosexual relationships and more so for his predecessor, James Buchanan.
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The Confederate song "Riding a Raid" contains the words "there's a man in the White
House with blood on his mouth". Could be a 19th century way of implying something about his sexuality.
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The Confederate song "Riding a Raid" contains the words "there's a man in the White
House with blood on his mouth". Could be a 19th century way of implying something about his sexuality.
Lincoln was not a homosexual. I'm not real sure but I think that song is referring to Zechariah 9:7

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And I will take away his blood out of his mouth, and his abominations from between his teeth: but he that remaineth, even he, shall be for our God, and he shall be as a governor in Judah, and Ekron as a Jebusite.
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In the new Spielberg flim "Lincoln", Daniel Day Lewis has gone to enormous lengths to provide an historically accurate protrayal. To this end he plays Lincoln with a high-pitched, squeaky, "girlish" voice.
Of course no one wants their masculine heroes sounding like a hysterical chorus boy and all previous portrayals have featured Lincoln with a deep, resonant theatrical voice.
But truth is truth.
It is uncertain how much time the film gives to Lincoln's habit of sharing a bed with his bodyguard, or his long time "buddy" Joshua Speed with whom he shared a house and a double bed for four years and to whom he wrote delicate letters and sweet poems.
Lincoln's relationship with men has been queried ( so to speak) since the 1920s when one of his biographers referred to a " a streak of lavender, and spots soft as May violets" in his correspondence.
So as the Blacks and the Jews cannot claim Lincoln as one of their own--the Whoopsies seem to have a case.
I think you are dreaming, wistfully.
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Pretty strong indications Lincoln had homosexual relationships and more so for his predecessor, James Buchanan.
But not strong enough that you can provide any. Pure drivel unless you can.
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Pretty strong indications Lincoln had homosexual relationships and more so for his predecessor, James Buchanan.

First thank you everyone for the replies, now I am certain Lincoln wasn't Jewish. I will again state it was like a shock to me since I always believed he was. Only yesterday when I started reading his biography I figured something might be wrong since the author no where stated he had Jewish origins.
Also, 2 years ago when I was at the Bulgarian airport I met this American girl and we started talking about American presidents and then I pointed Lincoln was Jewish and she actually agreed. Now it seems she just didn't know history that well, poor thing.

Second, the accusations that Lincoln was gay only because he shared a bed with his friend for 4 years are slanders.

The reason he did that was because he left New Salem, Illinois to come to Springfield to seek a career as a lawyer. He then stopped at the first store and asked the co - owner how much it costs a single room. It was too much for Lincoln could afford for he asked if he could stay for free and he will pay him back when he had enough money, but then the co - owner who was Joshua Speed himself allowed him to sleep in his room upstairs on a double bed with no charge and Lincoln happily agreed.

The author later noted that it was not unusual for men to sleep in 1 bed during that era, he gave examples later in Lincoln's career as a lawyer he and his colleagues sometimes had to travel a long way and slept in one bed with no problems.

Yeah, people in the past were far more open - minded on that subject than we are today...

I will give you an example, I once slept on one bed with my employer who was a woman, because we were on a birthday party and there were no spare mattresses, but that doesn't make me a lesbian
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