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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:43 PM   #31
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They eat guinea pigs in Peru. Guinea pigs are lovely little pets.
1.they are not pigs

2.they are not from guinea

3.they were raised for food before being raised as pets

4.not everyone eats them

5.your nonsense is laughable
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #32

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1.they are not pigs

2.they are not from guinea

3.they were raised for food before being raised as pets

4.not everyone eats them

5.your nonsense is laughable
I think his nonsense was meant to be laughable.
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Old November 18th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #33
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I think his nonsense was meant to be laughable.
yes but I guessed that if I explained the joke I would make it less funny
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Old November 18th, 2012, 06:26 PM   #34

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Ah, McCarthy. The delusional alcoholic who believed everyone was a Communist, and singlehandedly caused more damage to the USA than Communism itself. Now synonymous with irrational paranoia and false accusations:

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Joseph Raymond "Joe" McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was an American politician who served as a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin from 1947 until his death in 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period in which Cold War tensions fueled fears of widespread Communist subversion.

He was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, his tactics and inability to substantiate his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

The term McCarthyism, coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist activities. Today the term is used more generally in reference to demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character and/or patriotism of political opponents.

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Challenging efforts aimed at the "rehabilitation" of McCarthy, Haynes argues that McCarthy's attempts to "make anti-communism a partisan weapon" actually "threatened [the post-War] anti-Communist consensus", thereby ultimately harming anti-Communist efforts more than helping. William Bennett, former Reagan Administration Secretary of Education, summed up this perspective in his 2007 book America: The Last Best Hope:

The cause of anti-communism, which united millions of Americans and which gained the support of Democrats, Republicans and independents, was undermined by Sen. Joe McCarthy ... McCarthy addressed a real problem: disloyal elements within the U.S. government. But his approach to this real problem was to cause untold grief to the country he claimed to love ...

Worst of all, McCarthy besmirched the honorable cause of anti-communism. He discredited legitimate efforts to counter Soviet subversion of American institutions.
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Hiss is probably the most well infiltrator today, but there were many others, Lauchlin Currie, an Administrative Assistant to Franklin Delano Roosevelt; and Harry Dexter White, a Treasury Department official.
Hiss was clearly spying for the Soviets, but was he actually a Communist at any point in his life?

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Old November 18th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #35

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Ah, McCarthy. The delusional alcoholic who believed everyone was a Communist, and singlehandedly caused more damage to the USA than Communism itself. Now synonymous with irrational paranoia and false accusations:
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Hiss was clearly spying for the Soviets, but was he actually a Communist at any point in his life?
That was the problem with all the communist paranoia. There were vocabulary-compromised people on the right side of the spectrum who basically used "communist" and it's variants (pinko, commie, bolshevik, etc) as their all-purpose insult for anybody they disagreed with. By the time the word go thrown around a few hundred million times, it lost all meaning and things to to the point were a real communist (if indeed it was ever illegal to hold those beliefs) was just a tree in the forest, along with political moderates, people who liked literature, people who didn't go to the same church or whatever got a negative judgement from the paranoids. A communist became anybody with a different view of anything.
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Hiss was clearly spying for the Soviets, but was he actually a Communist at any point in his life?[/QUOTE]

Hiss certainly was a Communist Party member, albeit an "illegal" or secret Party member, just like Whittaker Chambers. Chambers' book Witness has all the details.
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That was the problem with all the communist paranoia. There were vocabulary-compromised people on the right side of the spectrum who basically used "communist" and it's variants (pinko, commie, bolshevik, etc) as their all-purpose insult for anybody they disagreed with. By the time the word go thrown around a few hundred million times, it lost all meaning and things to to the point were a real communist (if indeed it was ever illegal to hold those beliefs) was just a tree in the forest, along with political moderates, people who liked literature, people who didn't go to the same church or whatever got a negative judgement from the paranoids. A communist became anybody with a different view of anything.
True, yet It's amazing how it has come full circle. The left employs the same tactics against anyone who disagrees with their dogma or fails to bow before their god. I really fail to see how what happened then is different than is happening now. Really it's lunacy to pretend it's only a problem with a certain people of a certain persuasion during a certain period of time. American politics is historically very divisive and nasty no matter where you sit.

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THanks guys for all the information here, i will check out those books as mentioned. Appologies for the late reply.
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