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Old November 20th, 2012, 10:04 AM   #11

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The policy towards Cuba makes no sense (this is an historical thing with little change so I think it is discussable).

Would Cuba be closer to freedom if it had had more prosperity over the years?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 10:10 AM   #12
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Just for the sake of clarity, why exactly would the embargo (or blockade?) be illegal?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #13

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As I understand it, when the USSR and their sphere of influence dramatically collapsed in the years 89-91, the USA initially intensified it's blockade in a bid to bring about the end of the Communist regime in Cuba.

But that didn't work. Why didn't they reverse the policy?

(We can have a nominal 2004 cut off to prevent this being 'current', if you like)
Our cut-off is 1991 for current politics. Having said that, this is really not a Republican vs. Democrat issue so it's probably ok. If it does go south, we will take action accordingly.

Aside from the historical geopolitical implications, there is something here that bears noting. The Cuban-American demographic is significant here in the US-particularly in Florida with its large group of electors. I know of no group in American politics who is more passionate about their particular agenda-the ouster of Castro-than Cuban-Americans. No politician from either party is going to lightly risk losing that constituency.

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Old November 20th, 2012, 10:20 AM   #14

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Genuinely didn't realise that, sorry.

And of course it is an embargo not a blockade. Poor terminology on my part. Thanks for pointing that out above.

I believe the Cuban-Americans in Florida and elsewhere are largely pro-embargo? Why is that?
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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #15

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I believe the Cuban-Americans in Florida and elsewhere are largely pro-embargo? Why is that?
They're pro-embargo because they're anti-Castro. Of course, the embargo causes incredible misery and hardship to millions of innocent Cubans, but the Cuban-Americans in Florida don't seem to care about that.
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Genuinely didn't realise that, sorry.

And of course it is an embargo not a blockade. Poor terminology on my part. Thanks for pointing that out above.

I believe the Cuban-Americans in Florida and elsewhere are largely pro-embargo? Why is that?
The more powerful and influential among the Cuban exiles are the former Batista government officials and supporters who benefited from his regime, and their sons and daughters. Many of the later refugees that came were their family members that could not get out during his fall. Most of the later refugees escaped mainly because life for them in Cuba was bad enough to risk death to float their way to the US. These, the Batistas immediately went to work on to bring them to their side. All look forward to the fall of the current government and return to Cuba.
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Just for the sake of clarity, why exactly would the embargo (or blockade?) be illegal?
No answers for my previous question ?

Well, here's another question; why is the embargo causing any misery to the Cuban people?

Would the communist Cuba be any more affluent nation without such embargo?

Thanks in advance.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 01:16 PM   #18

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The USA is incapable of having a sane, coherent policy towards Cuba
i totally agree. just the failed castro assassinations alone (in hundreds)....
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They're pro-embargo because they're anti-Castro. Of course, the embargo causes incredible misery and hardship to millions of innocent Cubans, but the Cuban-Americans in Florida don't seem to care about that.
Many of those old conservative Cuban people have been dying off, dying off for years. The new US-Cuban generation are more interested in partying then in politics.

And some of those Cuban people in the US contain fanatics, fanatics that other Cuban people in the US rather not want on their backs so they keep supporting the embargo. Also, then we have those Cuban people who profit from this embargo. There are businesses that cater to bringing your love ones medicine and money for a price. They go via third nations. No embargo means they are out of business. Some Cuban businessmen have made plenty of money on the misery of others.

Just take a look at this site which promises to deliver medicines to Cuba . They also promise that if your are interested in sending Cash that your love ones in Cuba will get it in just 24 hours. Merchandise can take up to 36 hours. And they even sell perfumes which you can also send. What they do not tell you is that all this costs plenty of money.

SuperMarket :: Envios de Medicinas y Dinero a Cuba. Nueva Oferta de Perfumes para Hombre y Mujer.
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Just for the sake of clarity, why exactly would the embargo (or blockade?) be illegal?
For the sake of a discussion, I'll try and give it a go. Two thing come immediately to mind and these are the only two things i can think of: From a humanitarian perspective, because it causes alleged economic suffering and misery to ordinary Cuban citizens. From a legal perspective, because it is allegedly imposed by one dominant international power and some it's allies, not endorsed or recognized by many countries in the UN.

Now, and from a realist position, why does the US continue the embargo (blockade)? Hint, i alluded to it in an earlier post.

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Well, here's another question; why is the embargo causing any misery to the Cuban people?
Principally trade, investment and the lack of economic growth.

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Would the communist Cuba be any more affluent nation without such embargo?
Not necessarily, unless they do what the Chinese or more recently the Vietnamese are attempting to do, promoting economic liberalization and capitalism.
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