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Old November 22nd, 2012, 09:58 AM   #11
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Then the ACW wasn't about slavery either. The same things happened: slaves were enlisted in the Union Army, and slaves ran away to Union lines.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:25 AM   #12

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Then the ACW wasn't about slavery either. The same things happened: slaves were enlisted in the Union Army, and slaves ran away to Union lines.
This is quite a leap in logic. The American Revolution was started for reasons clearly listed in the Declaration of Independence. Of these reasons, keeping slaves was not among them as the British were quite clearly not planning on freeing the slaves in America any time soon. The American Civil War on the other hand was just as clearly started because the southern states feared the influence and power of northern states threatened their own states' rights, foremost among them being the "right" to own slaves. In the American Revolution there were some slaves and many freedmen who willingly joined the rebels against the British who you think were freeing them, despite the British shipping black men still in bondage to plantations in the Caribbean at the end of the war with their masters.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 10:32 AM   #13

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Can not see how its was about slavery but many 'British' commented upon the rhetoric of the 'Colonists' who talked about 'Liberty, Oppression etc' and the 'Rights of Man' but were also slavers.

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"We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." - Declaration of Independence

"The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth." - The Cornerstone Speech
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The American Revolution was every bit about African slavery as about the Well-Being of the Hessian soilders, whom the Americans promised free land and citizenship to in exchange for deserting their British overlords. British goals in regards to freeing slaves was the economic destruction of the south and the demoralization of the slave owners, to whom the prospect of an armed slaved uprising was, quite understandably, frightening. As mentioned, the British still practiced slavery at this point and even after its abolition in the British Empire had no moral issues in sympathizing with the practitioners of the horrid craft during the American Civil War.
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The American Revolution was every bit about African slavery............. As mentioned, the British still practiced slavery at this point and even after its abolition in the British Empire had no moral issues in sympathizing with the practitioners of the horrid craft during the American Civil War.
This unusual belief has come up on several threads by US posters. Is it taught in American schools like the nonsense about high taxes on tea and chopping down cherry trees?
There was absolutely no support in Britain, either in government of civil society for slavery during the American Civil War and absolutely no political support for the Confederacy from any part of British life with the exception of a small group called "Friends of the Confederacy" who had a romantic view of decent gentlemen being attacked by drunken bumpkins. Even starving cotton-mill workers Lancashire banded together to send messages of support to Lincoln. Only one major newspaper, the Morning Post, adopted a pro-Confederate stance and that was based on the idea of self determination not support for slavery. Of course, it did not mean that Britain supported the Union, on the contrary, everyone detested Seward and Adams as warmongers and business interests were annoyed at the tariff policy of the Union. Palmerston's and Russell's biggest concern was that a premature emancipation proclamation would lead to a race war.
The supply of ships, guns and other suppies to the confederacy was all carried out by private enterprise with the sole object of making a profit.
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Then the ACW wasn't about slavery either. The same things happened: slaves were enlisted in the Union Army, and slaves ran away to Union lines.
The ACW was over slavery.

Just as the Declaration of Independence laid out the grievances of those who wanted the colonies to break from the United Kingdom, the Confederate Declarations of Secession laid out the grievances of Southerners who were calling for a break from the United States. What you'll find in those declarations, is a passionate defense of the insititution of slavery on anger at real or imagined threats against it by their northern neighbors.

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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
---From Mississippi's Declaration of Secession
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:51 AM   #18

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Then the ACW wasn't about slavery either. The same things happened: slaves were enlisted in the Union Army, and slaves ran away to Union lines.
So you're saying that if slaves DIDN'T enlist in the Union army and DIDN'T run away to Union lines, the American Civil War WOULD have been about
slavery?
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Then the ACW wasn't about slavery either. The same things happened: slaves were enlisted in the Union Army, and slaves ran away to Union lines.
The Revolutionary war was not about slavery (much), the Civil War was about slavery (much). It has to do with the issues at hand. The main issue by far leading up to the Civil War was slavery. Slavery caused that war.
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