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Old December 5th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #21

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Yes, if a village gives sanctuary to murderers and won't turn them in, the village can expect to suffer some consequences. But there's a big difference between innocent bystanders getting accidentally caught in the crossfire, and the deliberate, intentional slaughter of every man, woman and child.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 02:23 PM   #22
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Here is the scene from the movie, Little Big Man.

Little Big Man [1970] - Washita Massacre - YouTube
That is an excellent film, Baltis. That scene captures some of the useless slaughter of the west.
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Is it new to you? Quite famous at the time.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 02:45 PM   #24

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Little Big Man is one of my favorite movies and an excellent book, which is openly a satire and not intended to be historically accurate about Custer or anything else in it's story.
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No, I remember it some from when it came out. For some reason I haven't watched it in decades now. I think that the portrayal of Custer in that film was an eye opener at the time for me. I guess before that I believed the fiction of the great hero Custer, just from popular culture. Since I watched that movie, I have read about and watched documentaries on Little Big Horn. I would much rather have been following Reno or Benteen, not just because they had survivors under their command, but because Custer was a fool I think.
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No, I remember it some from when it came out. For some reason I haven't watched it in decades now. I think that the portrayal of Custer in that film was an eye opener at the time for me. I guess before that I believed the fiction of the great hero Custer, just from popular culture. Since I watched that movie, I have read about and watched documentaries on Little Big Horn. I would much rather have been following Reno or Benteen, not just because they had survivors under their command, but because Custer was a fool I think.
Based on a comedy from the seventies? Do a search, there is some very good info on Custer in this forum. Reno was the idiot and Benteen very slow in responding to Custers' orders for help and supplies.
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Based on a comedy from the seventies? Do a search, there is some very good info on Custer in this forum. Reno was the idiot and Benteen very slow in responding to Custers' orders for help and supplies.
No, not because of a comedy I haven't seen in 30 plus years. It is more from documentaries on the dreaded "History Channel" that no longer shows history, as well as some online articles, not to mention other movies about the events.

I only said I would have preferred to have been in the other 2 units that day, because I believe Custer was a fool. The way I see it, Custer was the one that ended up completely out in the open, surrounded by superior numbers with superior weapons, in the form of repeating rifles. Reno and Benteen suffered casualties, but they did not put their forces in the situation of Custer's men.
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No, not because of a comedy I haven't seen in 30 plus years. It is more from documentaries on the dreaded "History Channel" that no longer shows history, as well as some online articles, not to mention other movies about the events.

I only said I would have preferred to have been in the other 2 units that day, because I believe Custer was a fool. The way I see it, Custer was the one that ended up completely out in the open, surrounded by superior numbers with superior weapons, in the form of repeating rifles. Reno and Benteen suffered casualties, but they did not put their forces in the situation of Custer's men.
You have some studying waiting in front of you.
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You have some studying waiting in front of you.
I never said I was an expert on Custer unclefred. As always I do appreciate your opinions. Can you give me a bit of a synopsis of the battle, in terms of the leadership Reno and Benteen, as well as Custer? You and I have talked about doing a really good Western thread. Maybe this is it?
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As I mentioned earlier, its interesting that the Washita battle is really the only major conflict with Indians of Custer's career until Little Big Horn. His reputation always seems like it would be built on more than that.

There is quite a contrast in the two battles for Custer. At Washita he could see warriors from villages upstream gathering on the hillsides around him. While he finished destroying Black Kettle's village Custer became aware that several thousand hostile Indians were in the area. It was under this threat that Custer abandoned Major Elliott and the 18 men lost with him. Unwilling to do battle with those odds, Custer turned tail and beat a hasty retreat back to Kansas. He returned a couple of weeks later with a larger force (and General Sheridan) to discover what happened to Elliott.

In contrast, at Little Big Horn, Custer was aware that several thousand hostile Indians were in the villages to be assaulted and yet, in what can sometimes be viewed as a foolish decision, Custer led his force directly into the teeth of overwhelming force. Custer has also been called arrogant and a gloryhound for his actions. I tend to agree with the negative assessments of his decision making.

Recently read an excellent book on Little Big Horn:

A Terrible Glory: Custer and the Little Bighorn - the Last Great Battle of the American West: James Donovan: 9780316067478: Amazon.com: Books
A Terrible Glory: Custer and the Little Bighorn - the Last Great Battle of the American West: James Donovan: 9780316067478: Amazon.com: Books

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