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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:05 AM   #11

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I am willing to admit that I may be wrong. My knowledge on WWI is very limited. But I feel like, Europe is Europe. They have been in civil war for centuries. Not our business or our problem.
I was just asking. I recently got interested in WW1 and have started some reading on the subject. I realize there are those who think we should have stayed neutral or perhaps even entered on the side of the Central Powers. Satisfied curiosity as to why one would think it is all I am after.

'Not our business or our problem' I would like to project a thought upon this statement. Modern wars are fought 'in our national interest' or 'oil' or for other economic reasons. By the time we entered WW1 in 1917, the US was so heavily invested in the Triple Entente that a defeat would have meant extreme economic problems in the US. Not sure it wasn't 'our business' that exactly brought us into the war.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #12

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2. Poland’s stubbornness, and complete unwillingness to negotiate in good faith, while being encouraged and duped by the UK and France to not settle on even the most generous proposals put forth by the German Reich for the transit corridor...
Of course I write with hindsight, but the Reich is not much remembered for honouring agreements.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:29 AM   #13

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I was just asking. I recently got interested in WW1 and have started some reading on the subject. I realize there are those who think we should have stayed neutral or perhaps even entered on the side of the Central Powers. Satisfied curiosity as to why one would think it is all I am after.

'Not our business or our problem' I would like to project a thought upon this statement. Modern wars are fought 'in our national interest' or 'oil' or for other economic reasons. By the time we entered WW1 in 1917, the US was so heavily invested in the Triple Entente that a defeat would have meant extreme economic problems in the US. Not sure it wasn't 'our business' that exactly brought us into the war.
I understand the question, I was only exaplaining that I have limited knowledge and a slant against Europe. I find "war world" I and II misleading. Shouldn't the 30 yeas war and the 7 years war count as "world wars." With such a large land mass with the specific country and the N. American continent as a whole, we've really managed to sidestep the pitfalls of European nonstop war within our own borders. I am salty that we were repeatedly dragged into their mess.

I am no fan of the Nazis, my *opinion* is that we had the moral high ground even if our leaders stunk and the allies weren't all good guys.

I am just curious as to why it is acceptable for Germany to invade Poland?

Whatever about Pearl Harbor, did FDR orchestrate the entire war? I find it hard to believe, d. bag though he was.
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Partially I get so confused as to way American Catholics find the Confederacy and the Nazis to be so moral.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 06:49 AM   #15
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"Reasons for Hitler's Declaration of War on Poland, as it really boils down to 3 things:
1. Danzig was 98% German and wanted to be German, and to be re-united with the Fatherland, but the WWI allies who only gave lip service to “democracy” and “the right of self-determination”
2. Poland’s stubbornness, and complete unwillingness to negotiate in good faith, while being encouraged and duped by the UK and France to not settle on even the most generous proposals put forth by the German Reich for the transit corridor
3. The outrageous and heinous atrocities being committed against the German ethnic minorities which the world media did not report on, and which the alleged “freedom and peace loving” and “democratic” allies and League of Nations” refused to acknowledge, much less take action on. They knew about this of course, but were intent on letting all these wounds fester and on fomenting war." JFG
1. Danzig was German but it had autonomy.
2. Nazi Germany made demands, threats, nothing reasonable do what we want or we invade (threatened in Austria and Czechoslovakia) it was demands and ultimatums based on force not reason , Hitler was a lair, last territorial claim my arse.
3. Almost total fabrications. Hitler propaganda still claims adherents.

thats Poland

then there is Denmark, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium, Yugoslavia, Greece whats the excuse for them?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:00 AM   #16

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Partially I get so confused as to way American Catholics find the Confederacy and the Nazis to be so moral.
???? I don't know of anyone whether Catholic or not, who would say the Nazis are (were) moral. Where did you read this?

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I'm not one of those "my country right or wrong" people. My unschooled opinion is that maybe we shouldn't have gotten involved in WWI and that, like Grant, the Mexican American War was unjust(although we were more than fair in treaty and compensation). That being said, I think the Union was right in the Civil War and that we were on the right side of WWII. Both put me at odds with many facebook friends and I have to see many posts to the contrary. Quiet a few are inaccurate. However I saw this one today. Can anyone confirm or deny how true it is? :
"Reasons for Hitler's Declaration of War on Poland, as it really boils down to 3 things:
1. Danzig was 98% German and wanted to be German, and to be re-united with the Fatherland, but the WWI allies who only gave lip service to “democracy” and “the right of self-determination”
2. Poland’s stubbornness, and complete unwillingness to negotiate in good faith, while being encouraged and duped by the UK and France to not settle on even the most generous proposals put forth by the German Reich for the transit corridor
3. The outrageous and heinous atrocities being committed against the German ethnic minorities which the world media did not report on, and which the alleged “freedom and peace loving” and “democratic” allies and League of Nations” refused to acknowledge, much less take action on. They knew about this of course, but were intent on letting all these wounds fester and on fomenting war." JFG

Escuse me while i roll around the floor laughing. I feel certain that your post was in good faith, but please..........FACEBOOK is not the place to learn History. Its great for chatting to your friends, discussing conspiracy theories but for academic study and factual analysis perhaps a more studious environment would be beneficial.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:26 AM   #18

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Escuse me while i roll around the floor laughing. I feel certain that your post was in good faith, but please..........FACEBOOK is not the place to learn History. Its great for chatting to your friends, discussing conspiracy theories but for academic study and factual analysis perhaps a more studious environment would be beneficial.
I never said this was good history. In fact I have suspicions that this is the same one sided slander that I used to believe about the Confederacy. But as with turning my coat on them, I want to fact check this before giving the thumbs up or down. Like it or not, this is out there and I don't think it is bad to get to the bottom of it.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #19

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I don't like Hitler- AT ALL. But Stalin was worse. He had many more people put to death.

* I am not trying to argue the merits of one man v the other man. My point is that I am fond of Poland and my own country(though I hate FDR). Was it acceptable to Hitler to invade Poland? MY visceral reaction is no. Am I awrong?

You are correct in your belief that Hitler was wrong to invade Poland.
It was clear breach of international law against an independent sovereign state.
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Old December 11th, 2012, 07:37 AM   #20

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I never said this was good history. In fact I have suspicions that this is the same one sided slander that I used to believe about the Confederacy. But as with turning my coat on them, I want to fact check this before giving the thumbs up or down. Like it or not, this is out there and I don't think it is bad to get to the bottom of it.
I agree its best to get the facts. And yes, there are a lot of strange things on the internet (which is where I assume you're reading this). That's why its best to get one's facts from books or articles. People can post anything (whether factual or not) on the internet.
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