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Old December 11th, 2012, 12:41 PM   #41

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Speak with an SSPX or Independent Chapel Catholic, that is what I'm talking about.

I'm not going to derail this thread into how this offends Catholics, as I am a practicing Catholic and I don't find it offensive in the least.
Ok. I've tried to be polite. Now I'm not going to be so nice. If you bring this topic up again without hard facts to support your assertions, you will face sanctions. Are we clear?
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Old December 11th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #42

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I was raised Catholic and I have never even heard of the term "trad." After a bit of googling I found out that they are fringe groups that aren't even in communion with the Catholic Church. They are hardly representative of Catholics. And I have never heard a single person, Catholic of not, have anything positive to say about Nazis. What kind of people do you hang out with?
I didn't mean Catholics as a whole. I guess I hang out with Catholics so much that I am able to say things and people know what I mean. People(that I hang around) generally know I mean trads. Of course most Catholics don't feel that way. I'm Catholic and I don't feel that way. I spoke out of emotion because the trad friends I had do feel that way and I saw that post this morning and there was a bit of a "pile on" with them agreeing among themselves. I can't wrap my mind around way trads feel that way. I should have been more specific. I was looking for someone to commiserate with me. I didn't realize my gaff was going to set off a firestorm.
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In regards to the Polish, I'd say the Germans attempted the exterminate them just as much as the Russians. .
When it comes to murdering Poles the Germans are the clear 'winners'.

According to modern Polish historians the Nazi's murdered at least 5,47 million Polish citizens in WW2, while 150,000 were murdered by the Soviets

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Ok. I've tried to be polite. Now I'm not going to be so nice. If you bring this topic up again without hard facts to support your assertions, you will face sanctions. Are we clear?
I retracted and made a more specific statement about a few sects of Catholics. I can't provide hard facts because there are none. There is no poll. This is just from experience dealing with them on a friendship level.
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Hitler did have good reasons for invading Poland, as listed in the OP, but Germany was also bound by a treaty that was only 20 years old, .
There was another one just five years old, the German-Polish Non-Agression Treaty of 1934.
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Hitler may have had good reason, but did he have a just reason?
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I can't provide hard facts because there are none. .
Then they are merely your personal opinions, which are irrelevent in any historical debate.
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Hitler may have had good reason, but did he have a just reason?
Hitlers reasoning was the establishment of the Germanic peoples as the supreme racial group in Europe with the extermination and subjection of any race or group which opposed them.

I think we can safely say that Hitlers reasoning was anything but 'just'
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Then they are merely your personal opinions, which are irrelevent in any historical debate.
It's not my opinion, it's my experience. Not all SSPXers are like that, but a good many are. But if it makes everyone happy, I will clarify even more. The trad Catholics that I have dealt with are mostly people who are sympathetic to Confederates and Nazis.
I don't find this offensive, I'm a huge fan of Franco, who was a practicing Catholic(not a trad) and who gave help to a naz who was also a Catholic. I believe he was right to do so. My experience is that they support the Nazis without reserve. I find it personally upsetting since Hitler had Catholics murdered, stabbed the Church in the back, and seemed to be a bit of an occultist. I believe he wrote a poem to Odin.
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There was another one just five years old, the German-Polish Non-Agression Treaty of 1934.
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Ah, true...I had forgotten about that one, then there was also the Munich Agreement. Hitler wasn't very good at keeping any agreement he made.
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