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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #21

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Some natives that often get overlooked are those of the Pacific Northwest of Washington State, British Columbia and the Alaskan panhandle. They were some of the last to be displaced and they had a fascinating culture which was vastly different from that of the East Coast and plains natives.
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Old January 8th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #22

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I think there were also a couple of brothers who were half Chyene and half white that fought with the Chyene dog-soldiers in various battles...

Quannah Parker, I think is the best known... or at least the best known to me, anyway.

The others from the eastern tribes would probably make for good reading. Do you know how good the books are? There's been a couple of threads on the "Indian Wars" and related topics where the historiography has been discussed in some depth...
I believe you may be talking about the Bent sons. Mr. Bent (William?) of Bent's Fort in souther Colorado had a Cheyenne wife and his sons fought with the Cheyenne in Hancock's War and other fights.

The Blue Jacket book is really fun to read but is not true non-fiction. Allan Eckert tended to write in the narrative but his work is still really worth a look.

I once did a bit of reading on the Creek War with Weatherford and Andrew Jackson. It was a while back and I don't really remember which books were better than others.
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Indeed similarities in all countries exist of course, the thing i find about Scots history is that so many Scots "clans" were filled with nationalities of all countries, Welsh/Irish/French/German etc that the dilution of the clan system makes a mockery of the red bearded, ruddy complexioned, claymore weilding,tartan kilt wearing, screaming madman.
Fighting the English when massive numbers of Englishmen lined up in the clan ranks calling themselves McDougalls or Forbes or McLeod of McLeod is ludicrous.
With the American Native it appears more a case of the individual tribe was made up of actual members of that group, i don't know of any Hamish McThundercloud fighting any Rory Campbell-Runninghorse.I myself am from Campbell blood and we have nothing to be proud of if history speaks true, sheep-stealers/murderers and all types of despicable vermin.
Seriously this is a topic which of course needs real indepth investigation, have i got enough time?
True the romantic notion of the Indian is spread through the movies etc, but as we do know it's not too pleasant.
I look forward to plenty of research and discussion, thanks for taking the time so quickly. All The Best Scott.
Now where to start!!!!

I don't know how significant or common it was, but i have read many stories of colonial america where Native American's kidnapped women and children and they assimilated into native american society and indeed didn't return when they had the chance. I think this was probably even more true between tribes but that's just a guess.
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I believe you may be talking about the Bent sons. Mr. Bent (William?) of Bent's Fort in souther Colorado had a Cheyenne wife and his sons fought with the Cheyenne in Hancock's War and other fights.

The Blue Jacket book is really fun to read but is not true non-fiction. Allan Eckert tended to write in the narrative but his work is still really worth a look.

I once did a bit of reading on the Creek War with Weatherford and Andrew Jackson. It was a while back and I don't really remember which books were better than others.
Yes, Bent is the right family name... I knew of the overall family, but forgot the names. Checking through wikipedia, one son Robert was forced to lead Chivington to Sand Creek, and would later testify against Chington and the other two sons, Charles and George, would join the Dog Soldiers after...

And thanks for the reviws on the books.
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The Eastern tribes, such as the Iroquis and Algonquinn had a culture of captive taking as retribution for the killing of family and clan members. A man would take a hostage, and often a succession of many hostages, in battle for say, the killing of his brother. They might torture him to death over several days immediately, or perhaps throw a feast for him and celebrate him as a new replacement member in the group. During the feast or afterward, the Captor may change his mind and begin the torture unto death. Often though, they were simply invited into the group as a replacement member.
This was a functional and unique process in which war was avoided most of the time, and retribution was settled privately within a family, clan, or tribe.
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OP might be interested in the Seminole wars in Florida. They were not the original natives of Florida. Disease, fighting with Europeans and the Seminoles pushed some of them out.

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When the Spanish arrive, there are approximately 350,000 Native Americans from three major nations living in the Florida area: the Apalachee, the Timucua and the Calusa.
Recommend this on the Calusa which were original natives of Florida. They are extinct.
Calusa_Indian Calusa_Indian

This on the Apalachee of Florida who are also extinct.
Apalachee Apalachee

This on the Timucuan of Florida who are also extinct. Florida natives really had it bad.
Timucuan_Indians Timucuan_Indians



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http://www.native-net.org/tribes/seminole-indians.html

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An explanation would be marvellous for me but go easy, i'm a man of medium speed uptake and too much indepth info in one blast, can cause dizziness and confusion. Let's have itplease Scott
Sure, were would you like to start?

As to coastal NA's I have plenty of backround as a former teacher of Pacific Northwet History. I live in Washington (state) which has a rich NA history with several indigenous tribes. Collville, Yakima, , Muckelshoot, Spokane. Makah and even more.

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Hi umletung welcome to the historum
I'm a brazilian native american,
i dont know much about the north american natives
only about the south americas
Hi there, i'm wondering how similar the two NA are, so it would be great to get some background from you on your area of expertise, so go ahead, i'm a bottomless pit of learning and when it comes to other nationalities such as your own i'm all ears. Thanks Scott.
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Sure, were would you like to start?

As to coastal NA's I have plenty of backround as a former teacher of Pacific Northwet History. I live in Washington (state) which has a rich NA history with several indigenous tribes. Collville, Yakima, , Muckelshoot, Spokane. Makah and even more.

Dave W.
Like the song says, "lets start at the very beginning" i can take it, i hope,what i find most appealing is the eerie almost other worldly traditions surrounding the beliefs of NA, I think the ghost Dance is extremely interesting, having viewed the very old and short clips of it on You Tube, it brings a whole new experience for me.
The traditions and beliefs just strike me as sensible when we view the world and the appalling mess we are in at this time.
I also would love to get my hands on other reading matter other than what i have but it is very difficult from South London and i rely on such as Amazon and Ebay and this route takes forever.
Generally though anything and everything is good. Regards Scott.
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